Culture Anti-Semitism and Collective vs. Individual Guilt

[ATP]

Antisemitism USA - Epstein and one of his clients,Alan Dershowitz. Allan Dershowitz,when his victims accused him,tell that it is antisemitism ,and supporters of Hamas./Fox News interviev/
at least two reasons why americans could be antisemites.
More,if you add Mossad supporting him.



Reasons for antisemitism in Poland -

Mendel Kossoj,commie before WW2.Zionist in the beginning/Haszomer Hacair/
As commie murdered and steal for party - also attacking rich jews.
Send to soviets,then in 1936 to Spain,as commander of foreign units.Responsible for all their crimes there.

After WW2 become general,delivered weapons to Palestine for jewish terrorists there.Trained terrorists from Hagana.
Arrested and in prison from 1952 till 1954 - but nobody tortured him,which was norm for polish patriots.
From 1956 till 1968 important again,after 1968 lived in luxury.

In commie secret police served his brother and father.

In Poland changed name to Wacław Komar to cosplay as local.Never paid for his crimes.

Considering his crimes in Spain,spaniards have reason to hate jews,too.

 

[Scottty]

Antisemitism USA - Epstein and one of his clients,Alan Dershowitz. Allan Dershowitz,when his victims accused him,tell that it is antisemitism ,and supporters of Hamas./Fox News interviev/
at least two reasons why americans could be antisemites.
More,if you add Mossad supporting him.



Reasons for antisemitism in Poland -

Mendel Kossoj,commie before WW2.Zionist in the beginning/Haszomer Hacair/
As commie murdered and steal for party - also attacking rich jews.
Send to soviets,then in 1936 to Spain,as commander of foreign units.Responsible for all their crimes there.

After WW2 become general,delivered weapons to Palestine for jewish terrorists there.Trained terrorists from Hagana.
Arrested and in prison from 1952 till 1954 - but nobody tortured him,which was norm for polish patriots.
From 1956 till 1968 important again,after 1968 lived in luxury.

In commie secret police served his brother and father.

In Poland changed name to Wacław Komar to cosplay as local.Never paid for his crimes.

Considering his crimes in Spain,spaniards have reason to hate jews,too.

Maybe Poland's historical reasons for distrusting Jews is a topic that needs its own thread?

 

[ATP]

Maybe Poland's historical reasons for distrusting Jews is a topic that needs its own thread?

Well,it is for antisemitism in USA and elsewhere,so.....Poland is elsewhere too,i think !
Besides, in that case we would need thread for each state where jews lived or live now.

 

[Allanon]

Look, folks, there is no denying that jews are disproportionately responsible for the destructive leftism ruining things. If modern Germans must be guilt-tripped over Nazism and whites for slavery abolished in 1865 then why shouldn't jews be held accountable for their role in communism and the belief in their own superiority ("God's Chosen People" vs. "goyim")? It is obvious time and again that American/Israeli dual citizens primary concern is for Israel, which is why dual citizens were once not allowed in government- if memory serves this was lifted around the time of the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty, rubbing salt in the wounds of the survivors- who were of course told not to talk about it too much or else.

Communism murdered over 100,000,000 people last century- so why is murderous Nazism condemned and nobody pushes it in colleges yet Communism is pushed and given excuses? Take a guess.

Naturally certain people are implying I'm a white supremacist for saying these things. Nothing has changed, the brainwash still works. I'm actually a cynical misanthrope which is why I'm an anthro-artist. I realized that there is no saving this world a long time ago.

The bashing of whites is also disproportionately from one demographic- yet the problem is "anti-semitism?" I can be beat up or even killed and it is never a "hate crime," I can be discriminated against in the workplace, mocked, shamed, and if I say boo about it I'm the racist bigot anti-semite? I do not like any of this but playing nice and oh-I-must-not-offend-or-say-anything-negative hasn't worked out very well over the past decades, now has it? What have I to lose now that I'm teetering on the edge of a chasm?

Husky Khan, you called me "grandpa," and yes I have been around for too long on this mudball of a disease-infested charnel house of a world. I'm tired of being hit again and again and then being told never to hit back. And your counter-arguments about feminism are not fooling anyone. Ask yourself this: the jewish religion has some nasty things to say about women and there are jewish areas where women are not allowed to drive- so why didn't Ruth Ginsberg, Gloria Steinman, Betty Friedan, etc. ever make a big deal over it? It's almost as if a demographic was pushing something they had no intention of practicing themselves, sort of like welcoming Islamic "migrants..."

 

[LordsFire]

Look, folks, there is no denying that jews are disproportionately responsible for the destructive leftism ruining things. If modern Germans must be guilt-tripped over Nazism and whites for slavery abolished in 1865 then why shouldn't jews be held accountable for their role in communism and the belief in their own superiority ("God's Chosen People" vs. "goyim")? It is obvious time and again that American/Israeli dual citizens primary concern is for Israel, which is why dual citizens were once not allowed in government- if memory serves this was lifted around the time of the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty, rubbing salt in the wounds of the survivors- who were of course told not to talk about it too much or else.

Communism murdered over 100,000,000 people last century- so why is murderous Nazism condemned and nobody pushes it in colleges yet Communism is pushed and given excuses? Take a guess.

Naturally certain people are implying I'm a white supremacist for saying these things. Nothing has changed, the brainwash still works. I'm actually a cynical misanthrope which is why I'm an anthro-artist. I realized that there is no saving this world a long time ago.

The bashing of whites is also disproportionately from one demographic- yet the problem is "anti-semitism?" I can be beat up or even killed and it is never a "hate crime," I can be discriminated against in the workplace, mocked, shamed, and if I say boo about it I'm the racist bigot anti-semite? I do not like any of this but playing nice and oh-I-must-not-offend-or-say-anything-negative hasn't worked out very well over the past decades, now has it? What have I to lose now that I'm teetering on the edge of a chasm?

Husky Khan, you called me "grandpa," and yes I have been around for too long on this mudball of a disease-infested charnel house of a world. I'm tired of being hit again and again and then being told never to hit back. And your counter-arguments about feminism are not fooling anyone. Ask yourself this: the jewish religion has some nasty things to say about women and there are jewish areas where women are not allowed to drive- so why didn't Ruth Ginsberg, Gloria Steinman, Betty Friedan, etc. ever make a big deal over it? It's almost as if a demographic was pushing something they had no intention of practicing themselves, sort of like welcoming Islamic "migrants..."

I see your selective recognition and reasoning is still in full force.

You aren't convincing anyone who isn't already swayed by your nonsense of anything. Why are you repeating your BS?

 

[Aldarion]

I see your selective recognition and reasoning is still in full force.

You aren't convincing anyone who isn't already swayed by your nonsense of anything. Why are you repeating your BS?

He is not entirely wrong, though.

Minorities do tend to be disproportionately leftist / psychopathic / insane. That is simply what happens when you are uprooted from your ground - nothing weird about it.

And who are the most recognizable and generally successful minority in the West?

In short: bloody Romans ruined everything for everyone.

 

[LordsFire]

He is not entirely wrong, though.

Minorities do tend to be disproportionately leftist / psychopathic / insane. That is simply what happens when you are uprooted from your ground - nothing weird about it.

And who are the most recognizable and generally successful minority in the West?

In short: bloody Romans ruined everything for everyone.

Sure, in the US minorities are disproportionately leftist.

That doesn't mean you start assigning collective responsibility for involuntary characteristics. That is, in and of itself, a leftist thing to do.

Further, he's not picking the 'most leftist' minority to rag on. In the US, that'd be blacks. Instead, he's picking the jews to rag on.

His logic is full of holes, he has no meaningful response to a number of questions he's been asked on this very thread. In the end, he's just trying to slap a respectable face on his self-justification for his collectivist hatred.

 

[Aldarion]

Sure, in the US minorities are disproportionately leftist.

Not just in the US. Serbs did everything they could to try and destroy Croatia, literally every since we saved them from Bulgarian tsar Simeon.

Biggest mistake we've ever made.

And yes, "everything they could" included leftism. Look at profiles of all leading Croatian Communists: they were either minorities or of mixed marriage, and in most cases they had some Serb blood in them. Funnily enough, same was true for the Ustashi as well...

That doesn't mean you start assigning collective responsibility for involuntary characteristics. That is, in and of itself, a leftist thing to do.

It does however mean that you have to be careful around them. There is a difference between fair treatment and voluntary blindness. You don't put a noose around your neck because you fear being discriminatory against rope.

This is why every ethnicity having its own polity is literally the only way to build a functional society. United States became inherently dysfunctional the moment government widened acceptance of immigrants a single step beyond the Nationality Act of 1790... and even that one was borderline dysfunctional as it was.

Further, he's not picking the 'most leftist' minority to rag on. In the US, that'd be blacks. Instead, he's picking the jews to rag on.

As I said:

He is not entirely wrong, though.

"Not entirely wrong" =/= "completely correct".

Fact that blacks are more leftist than Jews doesn't change the fact that Jews too are leftist... as are Mexicans, Brazilians etc.

Giving vote to women and minorities is statistically the worst thing a republic/democracy can do for its long-term survival. Nuclear war is less dangerous than that.

So he somewhat correctly identified basis of the problem... issue of course being that he narrowed the problem to Jews only, when it is far wider than that.

 

[shangrila]

Blacks are tools of the left, as are most minorities, while Jews are indisputably lords. Not all Jews, and not "The Jews", but for the last few decades, Jews have provided around half or more of total funding for the Democratic Party, and enjoy commensurate political power. One can simply look at how differently Democrat politicians in general have responded to Blacks complaining about migrants flooding into sanctuary cities vs Hamas supporters in American Universities.

And sure, collectivism bad, but Jewish founded or Jewish dominated organizations that purport to represent Jews are some of the greatest sources of evil in this country, such as the Anti-Defamation League, and the ACLU. One must question oneself as to whether considering these facts are just excuses for prejudice. But equally, one must question if, and if so why, one might not spend so much effort arguing against "Chinese are enemies of America" vs "Jews are enemies of America".

After all, Chinese people certainly don't all support things that are destructive to America, some are far more supportive of freedom than most Americans since they experience far more tyranny. However, it's certainly true that the majority of Chinese are anti-American, and Chinese organizations, of which obviously the PRC and its organs are the greatest, are our greatest foes, in a way not dissimilar to Jews and conservative Americans.

 

[King Arts]

Sure, in the US minorities are disproportionately leftist.

That doesn't mean you start assigning collective responsibility for involuntary characteristics. That is, in and of itself, a leftist thing to do.

Further, he's not picking the 'most leftist' minority to rag on. In the US, that'd be blacks. Instead, he's picking the jews to rag on.

His logic is full of holes, he has no meaningful response to a number of questions he's been asked on this very thread. In the end, he's just trying to slap a respectable face on his self-justification for his collectivist hatred.

You do realize that you are wrong and you are the leftist one. Collectivism is a natural part of humanity people are tribal leftists try to make things go against nature like communism and individualism is an unnatural thing and is leftist. Before the enlightenment it was not a thing western societies were group based.

 

[Scottty]

You do realize that you are wrong and you are the leftist one. Collectivism is a natural part of humanity people are tribal leftists try to make things go against nature like communism and individualism is an unnatural thing and is leftist. Before the enlightenment it was not a thing western societies were group based.

There's a difference between the natural human trait of community, and the socialist collectivist conception of society.

 

[Aldarion]

You do realize that you are wrong and you are the leftist one. Collectivism is a natural part of humanity people are tribal leftists try to make things go against nature like communism and individualism is an unnatural thing and is leftist. Before the enlightenment it was not a thing western societies were group based.

There's a difference between the natural human trait of community, and the socialist collectivist conception of society.

Collectivism is neither inherently left-wing nor inherently right-wing.

Rather, difference is in the way it appears.

Right-wing community is a historical, organically formed society - that is, ethnicity - which is held together by "grassroot" elements of shared origin, culture, history and identity.

Left-wing community is an artificial society formed through top-down enforcement - education, political enforcement and state apparatus.

Reason why collectivism is often seen as inherently left-wing is because, due to the absence of organic links between the members, enforcement of top-down collectivism is necessarily far harsher, and has to be done through the state apparatus; there is no other option.

But overtly pronounced individualism can easily break down the organic links between individuals, and thus ironically lead into the hell of left-wing collectivism.

 

[shangrila]

A leftist married a Jew, they agreed on almost everything, except the right of Muslims to kill Jews with impunity because of the higher place of Muslims on the progressive stack. Story as old as time, or at least the Arab-Israeli Wars for American Jewry.

And look, I know anyone claiming to hate Israel but to not be anti-Semitic is lying 9 times out of 10, but someone who married a Jew has above average credentials for making that claim. Mere belief in the progressive stack being anti-semitic would hit most American Jews, who merely want an exemption for themselves.

 

[TheRejectionist]

ADL (who was founded in memoriam of a pedo rapist ) and similar crybabies have helped foster anti-semitism. Also, people like Larry Fink who directs Blackrock explicitly told everyone that you need to "force" change and he directs a trillion-dollar company.
Then you got AIPAC, and other lobbies, one who which basically remove through lobbying and put a Democrat there because he was anti-Israel.

 

[Aldarion]

See what I said above, he has it stuck in his head the west is blaming Poland for the Holocaust for some reason, and seem to really harp on a couple of nuns being insulted by assholes, as though it was Jewish religious and political directives to do so.

Problem is this:

ADL (who was founded in memoriam of a pedo rapist ) and similar crybabies have helped foster anti-semitism. Also, people like Larry Fink who directs Blackrock explicitly told everyone that you need to "force" change and he directs a trillion-dollar company.
Then you got AIPAC, and other lobbies, one who which basically remove through lobbying and put a Democrat there because he was anti-Israel.

When you look at what some Jewish (and of course Serb) organizations in Croatia write, you'd get impression Croats are the scum of the Earth who deserve to get genocided because we are all of course Ustashi.

And then they get medals for spreading hate.

So yeah.

 

[TheRejectionist]

It's the same BS we see from other's who don't like Israel/Jews; they play word and definitional games to fuck with the Jews, while pretending to not 'understand' what they are doing.

It is usually the other way around considering how everything is or can become anti-Semitic by anyone Israeli, Jewish or pro-Jewish/Israeli saying that something or someone is anti-Semitic.

 

[ATP]

See what I said above, he has it stuck in his head the west is blaming Poland for the Holocaust for some reason, and seem to really harp on a couple of nuns being insulted by assholes, as though it was Jewish religious and political directives to do so.

Izrael ex-president Ruven Rywlin blamed Holocaust on us in this year,when he come to visit Cracov.
I simply do not like to be blamed for german crimes.

 

[TheRejectionist]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/befor...s-supported-the-armenian-genocides-architect/

https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctvxcrxk4?turn_away=true

to add to the convo.

 

[King Arts]

Problem is this:

When you look at what some Jewish (and of course Serb) organizations in Croatia write, you'd get impression Croats are the scum of the Earth who deserve to get genocided because we are all of course Ustashi.

And then they get medals for spreading hate.

So yeah.

Didn’t you guys ally with Muslims to cause the breakdown of the nation though?

 

[Aldarion]

Didn’t you guys ally with Muslims to cause the breakdown of the nation though?

What nation?

The entire reason why Yugoslavia fell apart was because Serbia refused to accept any talks about greater autonomy of the republics, or any suggestion that Serbia shouldn't be privileged, and in fact Milosevic removed national/ethnic representatives of Voivodina, Montenegro, Kosovo and Macedonia and replaced them with his stooges.

It was a clear descent into centralistic Belgrade tyranny akin to Octroic Constitution, except this time even worse because it was being made by a combination of Chetniks and Communists.

Nobody sane will have even thought about remaining in something like that. Yet Croatian leadership - both before and after the 1990 parliamentary elections - still did everything it could to try and find some common ground with Belgrade, with only hard demand being federalization of the country.

Serbs refused, and began arming Serbs living in Croatia.