Anime Games REMOVED from Steam! Anime and Manga BAN Continues!
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It might be famous for it, but there really isn't much sexually explicit stuff despite advertisement otherwise.
Is Life is Strange a VN that whole plot is potentially going from Minor to Minor having sex?
ParadiseLost
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Like what exactly?
I'm always skeptical with this kinda stuff. I own a little bit more than 2% of all games ever published on Steam. I'm very skeptical that there's any sort of mass purge going on that I don't know about.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if some devs got their games removed for breaking other rules, then tried to blame it on censorship because only they know the real reason and they know Steam won't bother to correct them.
And again, the artistic merit test is literally a huge deal legally. Its legally a completely different case.
The stuff that is there is more hilarious than anything.
ParadiseLost
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And I'm still skeptical. If there was actually serious censorship going on on Steam's part, games like Nekopara and Sakura MMO wouldn't be on Steam anymore.
Is it a full blown sex scene that you control?And so is "Life is Strange," in spite of depicting sex between minors.
ParadiseLost
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And so is "Life is Strange," in spite of depicting sex between minors.
False equivalency. I've stated why its a completely different thing in terms of legal liability about five times now.
It isn't even a hard concept to understand.
Yes, because its literally a matter of legal precedent and liability. Strict CP liability laws are in place for platforms, but content that is primarily artistic (as opposed to pornographic) in nature is not considered CP legally, even if its content includes sexual situations involving minors.
Again, not a hard concept.
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It actually does depend heavily.
One is VERY illegal in the US. The other has some legal issues that can be avoided
ParadiseLost
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And again, I call extreme skepticism.
Its far more likely the developers are likely than that Steam is banning random games. Especially since they have a bunch of incentives to lie.
And again, if art style were the issue, you'd expect these game bans to be far more common, because the content admin group at Valve Corp is very, very small.
Terthna
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Whatever your feelings are on the bans, or the content being banned, the fact remains that they appear to be arbitrary. Case in point; they blocked Evenicle 2 from being sold, and yet the first Evenicle is still available for purchase on their platform. If Valve doesn't want certain content on Steam, that's their prerogative; the problem is they refuse to commit and tell anyone specifically what they won't allow, meaning developers have to roll the dice on potentially wasting a great deal of time and money, trying to get their game onto a platform that doesn't want it.
ParadiseLost
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That doesn't prove its arbitrary. Its entirely possible for one entry to run afoul of the rules and another not too.
They do. They literally have a bunch of standards set out; you can google them.
You can also look at the general trend of games that have been removed. In every case I've seen its either loli-esque characters or gratuitous amounts of rape. These aren't random bans as you and others have been suggesting. These are very much targeted to a certain kind of content, and the vast majority of time stuff has been removed, Steam has worked with the devs in telling them what needs to be fixed. This makes me extremely skeptical of the cases where the devs are saying Steam just won't allow them to publish.*
Neither of which I blame Steam for removing. I really, really don't see the problem with this kind of "censorship".**
The reality is that maybe 1 out of every 100 devs (and I'm just talking VN devs here) is running into this problem. This is making banditos out of molehills.
Also, honestly, I'd expect these kinds of issues from any company going through the transition that Steam is - IE, going from not allowing any adult content to allowing adult content generally.
* Personally, I think some of these cases are devs intentionally running afoul of Steams rules for the probably literally tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars in free marketing they get. Would any of us have heard of Evenicle if it weren't for this? I don't think so.
** I don't even think it is censorship. Censorship is about the censoring of ideas, not massively degenerate/illegal/immoral material.
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Terthna
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And what rules exactly did Evenicle 2 violate that the first game did not?
And yet they seem to be banning games that don't violate those standards.
Neither of which are actually against the stated rules of the platform.
I'm starting to think the reason you're defending Steam is because of a combination of company loyalty, and personal bias.
We're talking about people here, not statistics; people who rely on these games selling to put food on their tables. You can't just dismiss complaints about wrongdoing on Valve's part, simply because it's not affecting enough people in your opinion to matter.
You do remember that "transition" was started in response to people complaining about them cracking down exclusively on risque (as well as perfectly tame) games containing anime and anime-esque art, don't you? Games that didn't even violate their guidelines at the time; exactly the thing we're complaining about now?
ParadiseLost
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Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm done debating the conservative equivalent of ideological purity obsessed liberals.