United States Amy Coney Barrett Nominated & Confirmed to Supreme Court

almostinsane

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I don't think the Supreme Court will revisit Roe vs Wade while the political situation is volatile. The Supreme Court has shown enough political acumen over the years to avoid making decisions that would place itself in the path of a vindictive Senate and President.

Yet, when things calm down, I see them overturning it if the majority of Justices are Originalists like Scalia because of the simple fact that abortion is not in the Constitution.

 

The Original Sixth

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I don't think the Supreme Court will revisit Roe vs Wade while the political situation is volatile. The Supreme Court has shown enough political acumen over the years to avoid making decisions that would place itself in the path of a vindictive Senate and President.

Yet, when things calm down, I see them overturning it if the majority of Justices are Originalists like Scalia because of the simple fact that abortion is not in the Constitution.




Not at least until after the election. Rumor has it that Barrett is the favored pick. That's a pretty big risk of damaging relations with swing voters, but doing so would re-energize the Evangelicals and Anti-Abortion groups. Both of whom ever not big fans of his to begin with. But the only swing groups that will really appreciate it are Hispanics and Catholics. A growing demographic, I might add.
 

almostinsane

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Not at least until after the election. Rumor has it that Barrett is the favored pick. That's a pretty big risk of damaging relations with swing voters, but doing so would re-energize the Evangelicals and Anti-Abortion groups. Both of whom ever not big fans of his to begin with. But the only swing groups that will really appreciate it are Hispanics and Catholics. A growing demographic, I might add.

That is true. Barrett will pledge to uphold the Constitution and liberals will rhee, knowing that abortion isn't really a constitutional right, and in a few years, an abortion case will be heard by the Court.
 

The Original Sixth

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That is true. Barrett will pledge to uphold the Constitution and liberals will rhee, knowing that abortion isn't really a constitutional right, and in a few years, an abortion case will be heard by the Court.

It's hard to say how that will affect the election. Personally, I feel as though the Progressives will simply walk away from the political process. In larger numbers than they already have after Biden was selected. It would cement the failure of the Neo-Liberals and indeed, of the entire political system. They came to believe that not only were these things their God-Given-Rights, but they were also led to believe that the Republicans were the Imperial Remnant of the USA; a small, dying group that somehow managed to retain power through trickery. 2016 put that into doubt and 2020 might just put it to bed.

I think some legislators are thinking ahead though. Kennedy and his other allies are probably looking at it long term. They know that in the short term, they can't do anything. In the medium term, they might try to impeach a judge, shame a judge out of his seat, or otherwise persuade one to retire early and thereby balance the courts. IF they win the election. Which means if they want a good chance of winning that, they need Biden to pull of a strong performance in the upcoming debate. They'll have him on all sorts of drugs, but it's obvious those don't always work. They're rolling the dice.

If they win the White House in 2020 and the Senate, they'll try and pass this legislation. I don't know if they can, but even if they were to lose the House, they might try and hold onto the legislation or keep it from being booted out of the Senate long enough for the Democrats to take charge. At least then they might get it passed. If they hold both House and Senate, then they can try and pass it back and forth until they get something they like more.

The real hope by some, I think, is to get this through before Barrett can take her seat. That way it takes effect first. And to the Republicans it may not seem like a bad deal, but I think the Dems are thinking of this in two ways. The first is that they're trying to cut Barrett's term early. She's 48. Ginsburg died at 87. Barrett, with advancing medical technologies, could hold her seat for 40 years. And more to the point, they would know when she would leave office; 2038. Which means they could turn her retirement into a campaign issue in 18 years.

That may not sound like much, but keep in mind that this would apply to every (assuming they keep it that way) new judge that is nominated to the court. Right now, judges can somewhat mitigate politics by stepping down at a time of their choosing. Or they can just suddenly drop dead. It's too hard for a political entity to predict. But if they KNOW that a judge will leave office in 18 years, they can plan for it in 2038. And maybe 2040. And 2042.

This is why I don't want them to be forced to retire in 18 years of appointment; it would only serve to drag them further into the political sphere and worse, it would make it a predictable formula in the future.

But I don't think they can really do anything else. There are no short-term solutions to dragging the court back. The medium-term solution requires they win the House, the Senate, and the Presidency. And that's a tall order. One that they can't be sure to pull off with a candidate as feeble as Biden. And even those solutions would be a massive escalation; packing the courts and trying to ram through statehood for US territories. Or splitting a State like California to ensure dominance in the Senate. And those things could actually cause a Civil War, so I don't think the Liberals will take them up on it. And of course, the Liberals are already looking for alternatives to the Progressives. Those RINOs going on the DNC convention wasn't just for show. That's shifting political allegiances.

So the only real constructive thing to do right now is to try and limit the powers of the Court. That way they can predict when a Justice is leaving the bench, they can reduce the damage of Republican victory (both current and future), and hopefully blunt the pain of having all their past century of legislation from the bench wiped out in two years.
 
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almostinsane

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It's hard to say how that will affect the election. Personally, I feel as though the Progressives will simply walk away from the political process. In larger numbers than they already have after Biden was selected. It would cement the failure of the Neo-Liberals and indeed, of the entire political system. They came to believe that not only were these things their God-Given-Rights, but they were also led to believe that the Republicans were the Imperial Remnant of the USA; a small, dying group that somehow managed to retain power through trickery. 2016 put that into doubt and 2020 might just put it to bed.

I think some legislators are thinking ahead though. Kennedy and his other allies are looking at it long term. They know that in the short term, they can't do anything. In the medium term, they might try to impeach a judge, shame a judge out of his seat, or otherwise persuade one to retire early and thereby balance the courts. IF they win the election. Which means if they want a good chance of winning that, they need Biden to pull of a strong performance in the upcoming debate. They'll have him on all sorts of drugs, but it's obvious they don't always work. They're rolling the dice.

If they win the White House in 2020 and the Senate, they'll try and pass this legislation. I don't know if they can, but even if they were to lose the House, they might try and hold onto the legislation or keep it from being booted out of the Senate long enough for the Democrats to take charge. At least then they might get it passed. If they hold both House and Senate, then they can try and pass it back and forth until they get something they like more.

The real hope by some, I think, is to get this through before Barrett can take her seat. That way it takes effect first. And to the Republicans it may not seem like a bad deal, but I think the Dems are thinking of this in two ways. The first is that they're trying to cut Barrett's term early. She's 48. Ginsburg died at 87. Barrett, with advancing medical technologies, could hold her seat for 40 years. And more to the point, they would know when she would leave office; 2038. Which means they could turn her retirement into a campaign issue in 18 years.

That may not sound like much, but keep in mind that this would apply to every (assuming they keep it that way) new judge that is nominated to the court. Right now, judges can somewhat mitigate politics by stepping down at a time of their choosing. Or they can just suddenly drop dead. It's too hard for a political entity to predict. But if they KNOW that a judge will leave office in 18 years, they can plan for it in 2038. And maybe 2040. And 2042.

This is why I don't want them to be forced to retire in 18 years of appointment; it would only serve to drag them further into the political sphere and worse, it would make it a predictable formula in the future.

But I don't think they can really do anything else. There are no short-term solutions to dragging the court back. The medium-term solution requires they win the House, the Senate, and the Presidency. And that's a tall order. One that they can't be sure to pull off with a candidate as feeble as Biden. And even those solutions would be a massive escalation; packing the courts and trying to ram through statehood for US territories. Or splitting a State like California to ensure dominance in the Senate. And those things could actually cause a Civil War, so I don't think the Liberals will take them up on it. And of course, the Liberals are already looking for alternatives to the Progressives. Those RINOs going on the DNC convention wasn't just for show. That's shifting political allegiances.

So the only real constructive thing to do right now is to try and limit the powers of the Court. That way they can predict when a Justice is leaving the bench, they can reduce the damage of Republican victory (both current and future), and hopefully blunt the pain of having all their past century of legislation from the bench wiped out in two years.

The Democrats have one big problem. The Constitution says Justices "shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour." This has always been taken to mean that Justices serve for life or until retirement.

I see a 9-0 ruling smacking this down if they seriously try it.
 

The Original Sixth

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The Democrats have one big problem. The Constitution says Justices "shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour." This has always been taken to mean that Justices serve for life or until retirement.

I see a 9-0 ruling smacking this down if they seriously try it.

That's why they're making a clause that will allow the current Justices to retain their seats. In any sane world, that would be the ruling. However, the liberal minority might break away to try and push for their team. I would hope not, personally. Altogether, it doesn't matter. It won't get through the Senate. The Republicans would have to be fools to accept these terms.
 

Duke Nukem

Hail to the king baby
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Certified_Heterosexual

The Falklands are Serbian, you cowards.
Democrats have more than once insinuated that her religion disqualifies her political rulings. Hope y'all don't miss that good old anti-Catholic bigotry.

Barrett is obviously a reactionary DEEP-COVER PLANT by INFAMOUS NAZI WAR CRIMINAL Joseph Ratzinger and his FASCIST-PAPIST INTERNATIONAL CONSPIRACY. At the first sound of her IMPLANTED HYPNO-KILLPHRASE she will launch into action and personally murder abortion doctors and the CEOs of condom companies with her blessed CRUCIFORM BLADE.

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On a serious note: I watched the SCOTUS nomination on CSPAN today, and I stuck around for the obligatory call-in segment afterwards.

The callers, no matter their political affiliation, were enthusiastic about Barrett’s nomination at first. In fact, one caller—a self-identified lawyer from New York, who called in as either a Democrat or an Independent—practically gushed over her nomination. He said that he recently had to conduct legal research on a Second Amendment case, and that he’d come across an extremely well-written dissent, which he characterized as brilliant, written by Barrett. (I wonder if it’s possible to locate that clip. He spoke for several minutes, as the host asked him to elaborate on how dissenting opinions influence later jurisprudence.) Finally, towards the end of the allotted time, three callers phoned in to object to Barrett’s nomination. They were notable for the difficulty they had articulating their thoughts. A woman from Florida who voiced typical shitlib/NPC sentiments, a black man from Georgia who went on a tangent about Biden, and a male caller who was cut off by the host as he seemed to be too stoned to speak coherently. Not a good look from the Democrats. If I were currently wavering with regard to my party affiliation, these three brainiacs would send me decisively over to the other side.
 

Von_Lohengram

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Barrett is obviously a reactionary DEEP-COVER PLANT by INFAMOUS NAZI WAR CRIMINAL Joseph Ratzinger and his FASCIST-PAPIST INTERNATIONAL CONSPIRACY. At the first sound of her IMPLANTED HYPNO-KILLPHRASE she will launch into action and personally murder abortion doctors and the CEOs of condom companies with her blessed CRUCIFORM BLADE.
Indeed! Yes, she and her compatriots even have their own theme song and everything:
 

Arch Dornan

Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
"Why is this woman sexier than me when I'm 20 and she's 40?"

"You shaved your head and got fat, Karen."

"Patriarchy!!! Rheee!!!!"
My SCOTUS can't be this cute.

They're trying to screw with her adoption.

Adoption has it's risks to a child but being adopted by religious judges would guarantee them a life. If they're trying to fuck her over like it did a pope over control of Rome that's a very unlikely chance. A judge would get those adoption papers sorted out all legally.
 

Arch Dornan

Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.

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