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Zachowon

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Just wanna say.
America is the modern Roman Republic/Empire
We are both of them.
We are the biggest and baddest around.
We have the numbers to back it up.
We are a cultural melting pot.
We are what some could consider the perfect successor to Rome in the modern age.
We are even a Republic.

We are not Carthage or any sea faring country. We are the ones that managed to make a distinct diffrence in how the world works, and forever change the way the world is.
Like Rome did.
 

Fallout-Man101

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Who exactly were you saying was like Richard Spencer?
Nobody in general, I was responding to some random generalized statement made by ATP initially and I don't really know if he was implying anyone in particular, it seemed to me to be a generalized statement.

My mentioning it in a post to you was a reiteration of the same position by myself in more stringent terms.
Important thing is - are you going to join forces with people taking about jewish lasers to save your Republic,or choose to wait for leftist Gulag where all killed including jews would be not victim of antisemitism,but result of "people will" ?
I don't think he was implying anyone in particular and neither was I for that matter.
 
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Hmm ... given the stated political strategy of the alt-right and adjacent ideologies (as stated by the few members along that line we have here) is literally to sit back and do nothing in the hope society collapses and they get to run around in the Mad-Maxery to their hearts' content (until a week or so later they get gunned down by another warlord gang) ... wouldn't that be an amazing boon to the left if a significant faction of the political right embraced beliefs that turned off a majority of a population while also doing literally nothing effective in actually practical politics?
For so very long, the mainstream Republicans have been telling us how they are winning, that the Democratic Party will be dead soon, that all of the minorities will flock to the GOP, that the left’s craziness will turn off voters, that we’re just one election cycle away from out utopia. That hasn’t come to pass. As time progresses, the left has become more radical, more powerful, and it‘s increasingly obvious to many of us that our system of rules and laws has become a joke.

At what point can we stop calling people insane radicals if they think that a collapse of some kind is inevitable or preferable given that the system itself is dedicated to our destruction?
 

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For so very long, the mainstream Republicans have been telling us how they are winning, that the Democratic Party will be dead soon, that all of the minorities will flock to the GOP, that the left’s craziness will turn off voters, that we’re just one election cycle away from out utopia. That hasn’t come to pass. As time progresses, the left has become more radical, more powerful, and it‘s increasingly obvious to many of us that our system of rules and laws has become a joke.

At what point can we stop calling people insane radicals if they think that a collapse of some kind is inevitable or preferable?
That whole logic falls apart when you understand that the result of civilisational collapse in Europe and America wouldn't be a levelling of the playing field but the removal of the only barriers to CCP world takeover. So there'd be a short interlude of Mad-Maxery followed by Chinese-backed warlords eliminating their rivals and sending everybody who looks at them funny as slaves to be worked to death in the prison-camp factories.
 
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ShieldWife

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That whole logic falls apart when you understand that the result of civilisational collapse in Europe and America wouldn't be a levelling of the playing field but the removal of the only barriers to CCP world takeover. So they'd be a short interlude of Mad-Maxery followed by Chinese-backed warlords eliminating their rivals and sending everybody who looks at them as slaves to be worked to death in the prison-camp factories.
You may well be right. China is going to become the dominant world superpower of the 21st century, I don’t know if that can be prevented at this point. I just don’t want to lose all of the good things that the USA and the West has.

It depends on what kind of collapse we have of course, but I don’t see the prospects of our establishment remaining in power as being particularly better. Their goals entail eliminating the USA for all practical purposes and I think that they are quite open to serving Chinese interests.
 

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That whole logic falls apart when you understand that the result of civilisational collapse in Europe and America wouldn't be a levelling of the playing field but the removal of the only barriers to CCP world takeover. So they'd be a short interlude of Mad-Maxery followed by Chinese-backed warlords eliminating their rivals and sending everybody who looks at them as slaves to be worked to death in the prison-camp factories.
A world collapse wouldn't result in that, the U.S. buys as much Chinese goods as all of the EU combined and a sudden and near immediate loss of that would make them economically reel for awhile.

That and the U.S. still having access to their nuclear stockpile makes any attempt at a massed invasion unlikely, even if China goes hardline Mao, they will more likely than not, go after Vietnam, NK or other SE Asia countries and heck maybe even Australia before the U.S. if the world is shaken enough.
 

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A world collapse wouldn't result in that, the U.S. buys as much Chinese goods as all of the EU combined and a sudden and near immediate loss of that would make them economically reel for awhile.
Yes, they'd have a shock, but nature abhors a power vacuum. If Europe and the US cease to exist, there literally is no world power capable of containing the CCP. Certainly not Russia and India.

That and the U.S. still having access to their nuclear stockpile makes any attempt at a massed invasion unlikely,
We're presuming here that there's no longer such a thing as the US, as certain posters in this thread have called for. And as I said, their strategy in this case would be to back local post-apoc warlords in exchange for slave labour and juicy juicy organs.

even if China goes hardline Mao they will more likely than not, go after Vietnam, NK or other SE Asia countries and heck even Australia might be on the list if the world is shaken enough.
Yes, those would be the first on the list (not NK though - it already exists as a Chinese buffer state).
 

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I guess it depends on what we mean by a collapse. If the USA collapses to the degree that the federal government no longer functions, then the dollar collapses, the stock market collapses, the entire world financial system collapses. China will suffer from this too, everybody will unless their are hunter gatherers in some undiscovered jungle.

Assuming that China maintains significantly more cohesion and power than the USA, then it still couldn’t really exert military control over the USA. What China might be able to do to control the USA in this scenario would be to bribe factions in the USA who are favorable to them. Though in a sense, we already have this with the cozy relationship that China has with the big leftist corporations that run the USA.
 

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Not his ancestry, his religion.
Okay, I've seen nothing to indicate that he's religiously jewish either, and that would be something that would be much more widely known. Hell, that's something that congressional republicans would want to bring up, since it's a "religious diversity" they can claim without boomers getting antsy, and Republicans in congress overwhelmingly claim to be Christian (there are 2 jews and 2 "refuse to say" in total among the Republicans). If he was faking he'd also probably claim Prot instead of Catholic.

On Spencer, the only things I can find on the "married a black woman" is that there was a deleted twitter post which claims to show a black woman in the background in a stream of his (the screenshot is low quality enough I can't even tell if this is true). I don't think he's a fed either. There was that leaked breakdown after UTR which didn't really end up tarring anyone but him, and there were those news articles that resulted in his mom getting targeted by antifa and left-wing lawfare. Don't really see how either of those are something that happens with a fed. Feds are the one guy who doesn't get doxxed or face consequences. Also, if he's a fed or establishment plant whose job is to make the right look bad, why the hell would he have endorsed Biden?

It's entirely possible for people to fuck up, to be wrong, to be misguided, or to lose courage and faith without being a plant or an op.

I just bring this up since you seem very over-prone to believing rumors about various people on the right. I'm sure there's a rumor on twitter about someone being a jew employed by the federal government for literally everyone.
 
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Although ironically the one guy I can't find even a unsubstantiated rumor about being a jew is Gosar.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Yo I said I was excusing myself from this thread, why ya quoting me?

Any way it was from a stream, dudes female walked by it. A bout a thousand people saw it live and the rest of us saw it on replay.

The rest you answered yourself. You just didn't realize it.
 

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Nobody in general, I was responding to some random generalized statement made by ATP initially and I don't really know if he was implying anyone in particular, it seemed to me to be a generalized statement.

My mentioning it in a post to you was a reiteration of the same position by myself in more stringent terms.

I don't think he was implying anyone in particular and neither was I for that matter.
Indeed.I simply stated,that you have last chance to defeat leftist without cyvil war,but only if you unite with everybody who support your Republic,even if they belive in fairy tales about jewish space lasers ,catholics cabals or polish death camps.
Becouse later would be cyvil war,and if you lost it,gulag.Even if nobody would dare to be antysemite there.
 
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