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[Navarro]

They'll probably follow up on the Enclave in Season 2.

Right now the Brotherhood are the dominant factiom across all of Fallout, we might see a "nicer" Enclave and some NCR Remnants team up if the Brotherhood keeps going down their fucked up ways.

Not to mention that if your main villains are "Evil Brotherhood" as this seems to be, the Enclave are REDUNDANT as villains. Both have power armour, vertibirds, like to live in bunkers, think of wastelanders as lesser, racist against ghouls and mutants etc.

Could your average viewer even tell the two apart?

 

[Scooby Doo]

Not to mention that if your main villains are "Evil Brotherhood" as this seems to be, the Enclave are REDUNDANT as villains. Both have power armour, vertibirds, like to live in bunkers, think of wastelanders as lesser, racist against ghouls and mutants etc.

Could your average viewer even tell the two apart?

Well for average viewer think of the Brotherhood as the Flaxians in Invincible and the Enclave are Omni-Man.

Ideology wise you have basically Military Junta versus Pseudo Monarchy that worships technology.


Enclave are outright stronger when the Brotherhood doesn't have Liberty Prime to carry them or having to deal with NCR's 1,000:1 Odds.


With the NCR and Liberty Prime out of the picture I could see a theoretical come back for the Enclave and they apparently still have enough man power to supply a massive ass facility and collect super mutant corpses. Personally though if I was Enclave leadership I would avoid big battles and just use small Elite squads to to accomplish objectives.


Almost every single major faction defeat is a result of their main HQ getting blown up in some way or form.

 

[Scooby Doo]

123, there was the Control vault.

Also in episode 1, is Vault 32 and Vault 33 connected? Or is there a tunnel between them?

There was a technically a tunnel connecting all three.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Please indicate to me where it says the super wealthy struggled for resources, I'll wait.
I watched the video and it never mentioned the super wealthy struggling, in fact it's the super wealthy or people with connections that managed to get into vaults in the first place.

Edit: Resource shortages wouldn't effect the super wealthy because they can pay higher prices easier than poor people btw

Resource shortages effect everybody because they're SHORTAGES and there's only so much to go around. Not to mention with rising crime rates the wealthy would be at risk of being robbed, mugged and murdered. And so on.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Anyway basically he used the ridiculous fire power of his hand cannon along with an armor piercing tip but still had to aim for a "flawed" spot to kill power armor troopers

So Power Armored troopers are literally light tanks.

I don't think you understand how comically shit handguns, even especially big ones, are at penetration. Speed pierces armor, diameter less-so. Even the biggest, nastiest most comically overcompensating handgun will absolutely pale in comparison to the most basic-bitch 7.62x51 solids.
Not to mention accuracy, rate of fire and recoil management going into the equation.
I think we can all just agree that the Fallout show isn't trying to demonstrate realistic ballistics, as if Fallout ever did anyways thanks to crits. Remember that it's canonically possible to make a person have a lethal heart-attack from a non-damaging punch.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Resource shortages effect everybody because they're SHORTAGES and there's only so much to go around. Not to mention with rising crime rates the wealthy would be at risk of being robbed, mugged and murdered. And so on.

*Looks at what happened with Covid*
I don't think so chief, rich people aren't gonna have any issues unless there's literally nothing.

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The shortages aren't as drastic as you say it is though considering there was enough to create the Sierra Madre.

I don't think you understand how comically shit handguns, even especially big ones, are at penetration. Speed pierces armor, diameter less-so. Even the biggest, nastiest most comically overcompensating handgun will absolutely pale in comparison to the most basic-bitch 7.62x51 solids.
Not to mention accuracy, rate of fire and recoil management going into the equation.
I think we can all just agree that the Fallout show isn't trying to demonstrate realistic ballistics, as if Fallout ever did anyways thanks to crits. Remember that it's canonically possible to make a person have a lethal heart-attack from a non-damaging punch.

The TV show does make some attempts of semi realism though so it's up to personal interpretation 🤷

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

*Looks at what happened with Covid*
I don't think so chief, rich people aren't gonna have any issues unless there's literally nothing.

Lmao great so the government is comically corrupted and prints free money to give exclusively to it's bros? Why couldn't they show that in Fallout show?

The TV show does make some attempts of semi realism though so it's up to personal interpretation 🤷

An automated minigun spraying like 6000rpm misses a prolonged burst against a slowly moving man and dog. :V
I'm not even sure if that's possible in FO1-2 because bursts tend to get at least one round hitting.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Lmao great so the government is comically corrupted and prints free money to give exclusively to it's bros? Why couldn't they show that in Fallout show?

...they literally did? Were you not paying attention?

An automated minigun spraying like 6000rpm misses a prolonged burst against a slowly moving man and dog. :V
I'm not even sure if that's possible in FO1-2 because bursts tend to get at least one round hitting.

Rule of Funny
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[ThatZenoGuy]

I have to say the Fallout show does look appropriately Bethesda-Fallout, even with that artstyle being god damned horrid at least it remains authentic, so that's a plus.

...they literally did? Were you not paying attention?

Maybe not, we'll see!

Rule of Funny
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Funny would be more like a guy shooting a burst at someone at point blank, only for the person to look around and see a suspiciously silhouette-shaped spread of bullets behind him on the wall, Pulp Fiction style.
"Miss!"

 

[Scooby Doo]

Maybe not, we'll see!

Well I'll test you when you're actually done with it cause I already saw every episode

Funny would be more like a guy shooting a burst at someone at point blank, only for the person to look around and see a suspiciously silhouette-shaped spread of bullets behind him on the wall, Pulp Fiction style.
"Miss!"

Subjective, anyway it's clearly a gag scene considering it even gave him time to stare at it before it started shooting.

 

[Ixian]

Alright, so looking at the timeline...

2022: Robert and Anthony House's parents die in an auto gyro accident, Anthony steals Roberts inheritance and starts running H&H Tools. No signs of real economic troubles in the US yet.

2037: Mister Handy robot model released for commercial sale to great success by General Atomics International, so the economy is good enough that middle class people can afford a robot housekeeper/butler.

2042: Mexico City is hit by an earthquake, the Mister Handy robot sells like crazy in Mexico as they are used to help recover from the disaster, Wilson Atomatoys sees its new Giddyup Buttercup bot become its flagship product, and RobCo Industries is founded. No signs of economic issues yet.

2044: Nuka-Cola is released, obviously sells very well.

2047: RobCo is one of the most profitable corporations on the planet.

2051: The US invades Mexico, citing protecting American oil investments and business interests, and Mexico becoming politically unstable. First signs that things are looking rough economically.

2052: The Resource Wars between Europe and the Middle East start, the UN collapses as an international organization. The US undertakes the last manned mission to the moon.

2053: The New Plague hits, the US closes its borders in the first national quarantine (which presumably would include Mexico)

2054: Limited nuclear exchange in the middle east, possible in Europe, probably not great for global trade and any economy anywhere, but the US has already closed itself off from the majority of the outside world for a year at this point.

2055: HalluciGen Incorporated sells its crowd control gas to the US government, guessing riots and civil unrest were an issue by this point.

2058: Isla Negra Holdings begins to take direct control over Point Lookout, Maryland as the New Plague devastated the region.

2060: Olympic Games are held (why? there is a devastating probably artificial plague fucking over the world and Europe and the Middle East have been burning for half a decade). The war between the European Commonwealth and the Middle East petters out as the oil runs dry and the reason for the fighting ceases to exist. the European Commonwealth collapses soon after, probably not great for the global economy. The European civil war begins.

2062: The US federal government seems unable to stop the New Plague (beginning to get the sense they don't want to stop it)

2065: Nuclear reactor in New York City goes supercritical and has a meltdown, electricity rationing goes into effect in the US, and the development of Power Armor begins.

2066: China and the US begin to become aggressive with each other, diplomatic talks fail, and the US announces all of its oil reserves are for domestic use only, China invades Alaska and declares war on the United States. Canada is forced to allow US troops to move through its territory.

2067: Nuka-Cola machines are on just about every street corner in the US (who has the money to get a soda? why would they want to go outside to get one with a super plague still on-going?)

2069: The US begins exploiting Canadian resources heavily, Canadians begin protesting American military presence in Canada. The US bans the "Patriots Cookbook" and attempts to destroy all known copies (lots of unrest problems in the US I'm guessing)

2070: The first Chryslus Motors fusion-powered cars are developed, noted as being "big and expensive" and they sell out within days. (who the hell was buying them? The people dying of plague?)

2072: Vault 79 is finished, US gold reserves are transferred to it from Fort Knox. Galactic Zone opens at Nuka World (why were people still going to a theme park?), Canadians begin to riot in a widespread manner, a bunch of US soldiers try to steal 20 million dollars worth of gold from Vault 79 and die in the attempt (bad news economically speaking when your soldiers are trying to rob you)

2074: US soldiers invade mainland China, supply line issues quickly cause the front to bog down.

2075: The US-China war rages on, both sides experiencing lots of espionage and sabotage, the US gov has lots of secret weapon tech projects in the works.

2076: RobCo gets even bigger, buying out several major competitors. US Senate debates tapping into the largest known uranium reserve on the planet, located in on the east coast, Senator Sam Blackwell embarrasses Senator Clark by revealing that he has made large investments in Atomic Mining Services. Canada is annexed by the US.

2077: Bombs fall, and everyone dies, except the Ghouls I guess.

In conclusion, I can't really tell what the economic situation was. It seems like the people who were already rich in the 2050s and 2060s stayed rich in the 2070s, and everyone else was dying from bioweapons or rioting.

 

[Warmaster]

I have to say the Fallout show does look appropriately Bethesda-Fallout, even with that artstyle being god damned horrid at least it remains authentic, so that's a plus.

Sad that it's connected to a series that shat on FNV and Fallout 2. They did such a damn good job at set work. Why couldn't they spare more for the writing? Why even put it in California?

Couldn't they just put it in Colorado or something? That way they can do whatever they want with a Vault-Tec plotline without spitting on the legacy of older games. They took California and made it feel like its Fallout 1/2 again. Whatever legacy the games had is now gone.

Its just wasteland 24/7 and it will never evolve from that. Ever.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Sad that it's connected to a series that shat on FNV and Fallout 2. They did such a damn good job at set work. Why couldn't they spare more for the writing? Why even put it in California?

Couldn't they just put it in Colorado or something? That way they can do whatever they want with a Vault-Tec plotline without spitting on the legacy of older games. They took California and made it feel like its Fallout 1/2 again. Whatever legacy the games had is now gone.

Its just wasteland 24/7 and it will never evolve from that. Ever.

It's Bethesda, they just don't understand Fallout and they never will. Heck, why should they understand Fallout when 'not-Fallout' makes them more money anyways?

Even Fallout's OG creators are kinda retarded because Chris keeps on wanting to regress the world into a shithole instead of letting it build up again, the rest of the team wanted progression for the franchise instead of "HAHA GET IT? NUKA COLA RIGHT? OOOH DEATHCLAWS! REMEMBER NUCLEAR WARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR?"

 

[Navarro]

Remember that it's canonically possible to make a person have a lethal heart-attack from a non-damaging punch.

Possible IRL too, look up commotio cordis.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Possible IRL too, look up commotio cordis.

No I really do mean 'non-damaging' hit, like a small tap or touch through armor. Literal 0 damage.

Also works on almost everything including deathclaws, robots, mutant creatures without hearts and power armor.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

I miss when Ghouls were tragic characters, blessed with nigh-immunity to aging, being tougher than humans and able to absorb radiation to energize. At the cost of being an ugly fucking corpse that is so decrepit you cannot even run around anymore, and almost certainly such a state not being very comfortable at all because half your skin is missing and everyone screams at the mere sight of you.

Now Ghouls are just humans who look like they've had one too many accidents with a fire, with no real downsides. You're supposed to NOT want to be a ghoul, because being a ghoul REALLY sucks.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Its just wasteland 24/7 and it will never evolve from that. Ever.

I think people who argue this are missing the point of Fallout a

There's also some external threat or asshole which is preventing the wasteland from not being the wasteland, it's the point of several antagonists dude IDK how so many Bethesda Haters miss the point. A lot of people didn't pay attention to the differences and circumstances of West Coast vs East Coast

Fallout East Coast had the Supermutants, Ghouls, Enclave AND Institute preventing safe expansion and it's only thanks to the efforts of the Brotherhood that they finally manage to make some progress in clearing the wastes (Which took them like two decades). Let's reiterate what it took to make minor progress, it took potentially HUNDREDS of highly trained and experienced operatives in a light tank equivalent armor just to make a small section of the East.

Appalachia is presumably a lost cause because of a fungal plague and giant colonies of super radiated plane sized Bats, like what the fuck do you expect a post apocalypse society to do against a nest of hundreds of these?

Fallout West Coast only got as far as it did because of the Protagonist macguffing away the Enclave and Master both of which would have wiped out the NCR were it not for them (The Supermutants in the West Coast decided to fuck off unlike the ones in the East). The West Coast also had an advantage of you know having one of the most populated vaults in the setting?


Most vaults in all of the Fallout canon are mentioned to only sustain a few hundred people or less, the Vaults in the West Coast had a much higher average than the ones in the East Coast so of course it's easier for them to build up quicker than the East (Not mentioning that the Supermutants in the West are reasonable unlike the East) Vault 13 alone starts with 1,000 people which is significantly higher above the average vault populations.


To put this into perspective three East Coat Vaults
Vault 92 (245 Vault Dwellers)
Vault 106 (Less than 200)
Vault 108 (475)

Still less than a thousand. Higher Population = More Protection = More manpower to rebuild. The West is able to build a civilization because all their threats were handled sooner and they had more factors helping them than the East Coast. Furthermore, the NCR in the Fallout TV show aren't in a "Wasteland" they're in a offscreen civil war

(Their Capital legitimately got nuked that's why it looks like shit, the series gives us a brief glimpse of the capital looking like a utopia BEFORE it got nuked) and the whole fucking point of the season was to re-unify the NCR stronger than ever with the Cold Fusion tech (Which would let them recover from Shady Sands really quick).




TLDR;

Stop bitching about the NCR, their capital got nuked which presumably killed tens of thousands according to the population billboard on top of a lot of the NCR leadership which had multiple people fighting over leadership until the main antagonist finds a way to unify them and would have rebuilt the NCR practically over night had their plan worked.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

I think people who argue this are missing the point of Fallout a

There's also some external threat or asshole which is preventing the wasteland from not being the wasteland, it's the point of several antagonists dude IDK how so many Bethesda Haters miss the point. A lot of people didn't pay attention to the differences and circumstances of West Coast vs East Coast

Circa FO1-2, 'War Never Changes' absolutely does not mean an endless cycle to revert humanity back to the stone-age. The Master lost before he could do much damage, and even the Enclave only managed to kill a handful of people and a small tribe.

War Never Changes, but you can absolutely stop wars from occurring before they start, exactly what happens in FO1-2 and their severity will always be less than complete nuclear bombings.

The idea that everyone has to live in mud-huts is exclusive to Chris Avellone and Bethesda, who are both incompetent.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Circa FO1-2, 'War Never Changes' absolutely does not mean an endless cycle to revert humanity back to the stone-age. The Master lost before he could do much damage, and even the Enclave only managed to kill a handful of people and a small tribe.

War Never Changes, but you can absolutely stop wars from occurring before they start, exactly what happens in FO1-2 and their severity will always be less than complete nuclear bombings.

The idea that everyone has to live in mud-huts is exclusive to Chris Avellone and Bethesda, who are both incompetent.

That's fine if you don't like the path they decided to go with but to argue that it doesn't make sense is just being purposely ignorant.

Fallout isn't a conventional setting, you're lucky people are able to survive with all the giant mutants out there and irradiated lands/water. Sometimes you're not able to stop wars from occuring, to expect everything to go perfectly is ridiculous, the NCR managing to get as far as it did was honestly a miracle.

Ain't no one going to be able to sustain a population of 700,000 (Even America was barely able to handle the Flint Michigan crisis and they have significantly more resources than the NCR) with irradiated territory if anything it makes less sense for the NCR to exist than anything Bethesda done if we're going to argue about realism.

 

[f1onagher]

I cannot convey through words alone how livid I am about this. I legitimately think modern writes are incapable of imagining fictional worlds due to some sort of mental deficiency because every... single... fucking adaptation of anything shoots the world building in the head and shrinks the world to a pitiful, grey blob stage that they can easily convey on whatever stage they're using because heaven fucking forbid that there be a world outside of whatever dreary shit these parasitical shits can cough up.

Fuck this gay earth.

It's nice to know I care more about the NCR than Bethesda.

Also, I was right, lol, maybe ya can stop huffing copium.

I retroactively retract all the shit I've given you about the NCR in Autumn Morning. If this is how the professional stewards of the setting are going to treat one of the core components of the universe... fuck! I knew Bethesda couldn't be trusted to pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were on the heel, but I figured they'd at least stay inside of the bowling bumpers out of greed and self interest if nothing else.

The advancement of the NCR was literally a critical part of Fallout's guts. That humanity could rebuild from the apocalypse and adapt to a new world. Fucking Bethesda pointed this out in Fallout 3 with Moira. It also added a cool western vibe to the setting where the ever encroaching reach of civilization slowly forces the wild wasteland to change, die, or move on. Removing the NCR was always the coward's way out, so I guess I'm the sucker for being surprised.

The season finale suggests Vault Tech provoked the bombs into going off by guaranteeing a nuclear strike not the Zetans.

So yeah chalk one up on the scoreboard for Vault Tech being stupidly evil.
They're up their with Weyland Yutani and ONI maybe even worse.

The original cause, that China was on the brink losing and just decided to flip the bird on the way out, always made a thousand times more sense than any other explanation that's been shat out since then. The constant retconing of the cause into increasing pointless and convoluted reasons is beyond asinine.

A clear retcon to try and sell the show in China, because the entire rest of the lore heavily implies it was the CCP who screwed over mankind.

I thought we learned our lesson after the last sixteen times China shit on western media trying to pander to them?