Alternate History Ideas and Discussion

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WolfBear said:
What if Russia decides to flood Novorossiya with Russians (formerly known as Great Russians) starting from the late 18th century onwards, viewing Little Russians (aka Ukrainians) as too unreliable for this task due to them previously being ruled by Poland for several centuries?

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Why? Ukrainians nation was created by Austria after 1866 to counter poles,before it was just few students.Tsar have nothink to fear from them.
They could start it after ,let say,1880,but dunno if that would help or not.
P.S Sralin after genociding part of people there send new settlers,so,in a sense,it was done.
 
ATP said:
Why? Ukrainians nation was created by Austria after 1866 to counter poles,before it was just few students.Tsar have nothink to fear from them.
They could start it after ,let say,1880,but dunno if that would help or not.
P.S Sralin after genociding part of people there send new settlers,so,in a sense,it was done.
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Why would Austria wait until after 1880 to start Ukrainization?
 
Which additional countries (not former colonies of republics, though) are most likely to become republics in a no-World Wars TL?

 
WolfBear said:
Why would Austria wait until after 1880 to start Ukrainization?
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Sorry for being unclear.Russians could send settlers there till 1880,or 1900 at best,becouse later enough locals would start consider themselves ukrainians to made it too hard..
 
ATP said:
Sorry for being unclear.Russians could send settlers there till 1880,or 1900 at best,becouse later enough locals would start consider themselves ukrainians to made it too hard..
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The descendants of earlier settlers could also eventually begin considering themselves Ukrainians since Ukrainian nationalist ideas won't necessarily permanently stay in western and central Ukraine.
 
WolfBear said:
The descendants of earlier settlers could also eventually begin considering themselves Ukrainians since Ukrainian nationalist ideas won't necessarily permanently stay in western and central Ukraine.
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If tsar did send them before 1900 with teachers and priest teaching them that they are russians,then no.Russians could do so.They have people,resources and money for that.
 
ATP said:
If tsar did send them before 1900 with teachers and priest teaching them that they are russians,then no.Russians could do so.They have people,resources and money for that.
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The Tsar did teach Ukrainians that they are a branch of the Triune Russian nation, no? Heck, even today, 41% of Ukrainians believe that they and Russians are one people:

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41% of Ukrainians Agree They and Russians Are One People

These are the results of a recent poll from Rating Group. 41% agree with Putin's position, 55% disagree. Not bad, considering there's now been a generation's worth of state svidomy narratives. But possibly the most startling result (and certainly one that I didn't expect is there there's...
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World War I alternate history question:

WolfBear said:
Had Germany encircled both the BEF and Charles Lanrezac's Fifth Army in late August 1914 and subsequently managed to conquer Verdun due to France diverting the troops from there to the Marne in order to save Paris, could the fortress of Toul have become this TL's version of Verdun in 1916?

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stevep said:
Would a royalist France have the same motto and national anthem? Especially isn't the three lilies the Bourbon symbol so if it was them rather than the Bonaparte or Orleans options I suspect that they would not like such symbols of the revolution that initially removed them from power and killed off a good bit of their family.
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The Orleanists were more sympathetic to the French Revolution than the Bourbons were, AFAIK. Here, the French King is from the Orleans line, so it's obviously understandable why France kept its various symbols from the revolutionary era in this TL:


A 1-6-14 POD does give the potential to avoid WWI although possibly you can have some conflict in which Germany wins and imposes the monarch on a defeated France - being quite conservative and monarchistic themselves. However that wouldn't endear them to the population. Plus I'm not sure due to the size of the map how those boundaries match with OTL?
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France has Algeria, Kabylia is an autonomous unit within France, and France does not have both Brittany and Alsace-Lorraine. I don't know if France has subsequently lost more of Lorraine in this TL. Apparently there's an alt-World War that breaks out in late 1916 in this TL.

Possibly WWI occurs roughly as OTL but for whatever reason Germany avoids Hitler or any other ardent militaristic and revanchist leadership - or possibly its quickly stamped on by France with something like a strong response to the 1936 attempt to occupy the Rhineland. Thinking of this because a strong and hostile Germany makes for a France looking nervously eastward and hence without really the freedom for major internal changes themselves.

This could work quite well if say France intervenes unilaterally or possibly in alliance with Poland and stamps down hard on German rearmament. This is likely to be unpopular in Britain and probably a number of other states as - without the hindsight we have - its seen as an OOT response. Possibly also unpopular with some elements in France.

This leaves France isolated but fairly secure which gives scope for internal conflicts and tensions to take over. Possibly there's disputes between the right which argues that the intervention shows the need for a strong military while the left argues that now the borders are secured money should be spent on social issues.

Thinking basically you have something like, or getting close to a Spanish civil war scenario and when the dust settles rather than either extreme winning a coalition of more moderate groups, possibly supported by some neighbours who want the chaos ended and one of the monarchist options is selected as a unifying figure - which would probably be more likely to be the Orleanist or Bonaparte rather than the main Bourbon line.

Anyway initial mad ideas that might work.
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That makes sense. And FWIW, the main Bourbon line was Spanish by the 1930s. Its last French member, Henri, Count of Chambord, died back in 1883. So, Yes, an Orleanist would likely be chosen for this. He could be a good figurehead for a Fascist-like France, I suppose.
 
Buba said:
Easy.
In 1888 give the revolting scum a wiff of grapeshot and then
cabeças . stacas. paredes
heads.spikes. walls.
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1888 is a bit too late for that. If you want to purge the Army(and it had to be purged, IMO), you must start by hanging the teachers of the Military Academy in the early 1880s. I do have a few half-planned ideas for an AH scenario, but I probably won't ever write it.
 
gral said:
1888 is a bit too late for that. If you want to purge the Army(and it had to be purged, IMO), you must start by hanging the teachers of the Military Academy in the early 1880s. I do have a few half-planned ideas for an AH scenario, but I probably won't ever write it.
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Not only Army.Purge masons in entire country,or they would revolution later.
P.S Write that!
 
'AHC: Have the Whites win the Russian Civil War but also have Russia's western border be approximately the same as it was back in 1792'

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Would that result in the Belarusian People's Republic and the Ukrainian People's Republic becoming actual independent states? For this to happen, you probably need a rational minded Polish leader who would view the restoration of the borders of the former Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth as more troublesome, and restrict itself to the borders of Poland during the Piast dynasty.

However, you might also need to have the UPR and the White emigre go to war against each other after the Bolsheviks are defeated.
 
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