All of Europe west of the Byzantine Empire gets moved from 1095 AD to 635 AD by Alien Space Bats

WolfBear

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What would have happened if all of Europe west of the Byzantine Empire would have gotten moved from 1095 AD to 635 AD by Alien Space Bats? Do we see a much earlier Crusader movement after the Byzantine defeat at Yarmouk? If so, just how successful would it have been? And just how did the Europeans of the late 11th century compare technologically-wise to the Muslims of the 7th century?
 

Chiron

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What would have happened if all of Europe west of the Byzantine Empire would have gotten moved from 1095 AD to 635 AD by Alien Space Bats? Do we see a much earlier Crusader movement after the Byzantine defeat at Yarmouk? If so, just how successful would it have been? And just how did the Europeans of the late 11th century compare technologically-wise to the Muslims of the 7th century?

So Al-Andalus is also moved.

William II of England is nearing his time and would likely hard pass. Spanish Lords are a little busy at the moment fighting and losing to Yusuf.

Others have a bunch of petty squabbles with each other. The other issue is the Byzantine Empire won't know who these folks are and Heraclius would see them as Invaders if they just come into his lands. He also lost a good part of his Empire and if the Aegean and Crete are considered part of Europe, he lost a good portion of his Navy if not the majority of it. Some of it would still technically be part of his realm, but depending on where Alexios I Komnenos is at the time, well it could get a little messy on who is in charge.

The Crusaders would have some good armor and weaponry, but not any automatic I win advantage and would be facing some brilliant leaders. Also with the Muslims of Spain in play this has the potential to be a gigantic mess that can go any way.
 

WolfBear

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So Al-Andalus is also moved.

William II of England is nearing his time and would likely hard pass. Spanish Lords are a little busy at the moment fighting and losing to Yusuf.

Others have a bunch of petty squabbles with each other. The other issue is the Byzantine Empire won't know who these folks are and Heraclius would see them as Invaders if they just come into his lands. He also lost a good part of his Empire and if the Aegean and Crete are considered part of Europe, he lost a good portion of his Navy if not the majority of it. Some of it would still technically be part of his realm, but depending on where Alexios I Komnenos is at the time, well it could get a little messy on who is in charge.

The Crusaders would have some good armor and weaponry, but not any automatic I win advantage and would be facing some brilliant leaders. Also with the Muslims of Spain in play this has the potential to be a gigantic mess that can go any way.

Maybe it would be best to keep the Spain of 635 in place rather than moving the Spain of 1095 to 635?
 

ATP

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Maybe it would be best to keep the Spain of 635 in place rather than moving the Spain of 1095 to 635?
Indeed.Or,even better,made Europe from 1444 come - moste european rulers would not care about crusaders,but they still could send mercaneries.
And polish King would come,too - i hope,that this time he would not die.
 

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