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Alexander Dugin on the Great Reset

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Shrug, it's not like it really matters if the Duke of Orange won the great snout-count of 2020 or no, since he has shewn that he has no interest in raising his banner in defense of his rights.
Sure, but what that would mean is that I can't trust Dugin to be sincere in what he writes. As the Internet once said, “I’m not upset that you lied to me, I’m upset that from now on I can’t believe you”.

Now, if he were writing in a deliberately provocative way but alluding to some real argument he had in favor of the conclusion that Trump came out on top somehow despite not being in the White House anymore, that would be a different thing.
 

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Sure, but what that would mean is that I can't trust Dugin to be sincere in what he writes. As the Internet once said, “I’m not upset that you lied to me, I’m upset that from now on I can’t believe you”.

Now, if he were writing in a deliberately provocative way but alluding to some real argument he had in favor of the conclusion that Trump came out on top somehow despite not being in the White House anymore, that would be a different thing.
I don't know what he means to say by those words, so I covered the possibilities. My gut would be that he buys the narrative of Biden stealing the election.

My personal opinion is that it doesn't matter one way or the other. It couldn't matter any less who is the 'president' of the United States, as elections simply do not matter.
 

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So if I'm getting this right:

Step #1. Use decades of globalism race-to-the-bottom competition with automation and foreign slave labor to annihilate as much independent self-employment and small businesses as possible.

Step #2. Finish off the survivors with a quarantine during which small businesses are forcibly shut down until they're driven bankrupt, while giant corporations are allowed to remain open as 'essential'.

Step #3. Company town feudalism. Giant corporations which pay their employee-serfs just enough money to rent everything from them. Everyone technically still has rights, but functionally, doesn't, so long as the giant corporations can fire or cancel them at any time for any reason, essentially banishing them from civilization.

Step #4. Two possibilities, I'm pretty sure the corporatocracy doesn't know which option they'll go for, they're just waiting for whichever technologies are invented first.

Step #4-A. Automation. As robotics technology improves and robots can do more tasks for less money, competition with robots drives down employee-serf wages and working conditions, until eventually, it isn't possible for a human worker, no matter how mistreated and overworked, to be cost-effective compared to a robot receiving the bare minimum 'salary' required for maintenance. All human employees are therefore now unemployed and any attempts at rebellion, squatting on corporate property, theft to sustain themselves or really, anything but starving in peace while not violating the NAP are met with security kill-drones.

Step #4-B. Biotechnology. Transhumanism technologies reach the point where augmented workers are more effective and therefore, more profitable, than baseline ones. Therefore, effective immediately, being augmented becomes an essential prerequisite for any form of employment like how a collage degree is now, nobody will hire anyone with merely baseline capabilities. However, augmentation is expensive. Companies offer loans to pay for becoming augmented and consequentially, employable, in exchange for labor, which technically aren't slavery, insofar as workers can technically quit any time they want, the company would just repossess their prosthetic organs. And planned obsolesce, so that whenever someone comes close to paying off a debt, completely coincidentally, they suddenly need expensive maintenance or replacement surgeries. And spyware, spam advertisements and remote kill-switches for voluntary musculature to maintain monopoly of force connected to everyone's central nervous systems.
 

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Keith Woods has a good video in the reset and the World Economic Forum

TL/DR?

The oligarchs will find ways to avoid paying billions upon billions in taxes, then give back a billion in the form of politicised philanthropy and make it sound like they are doing us a favour

 

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For starters, see how it says ALL LIFE ON EARTH IS DOOMED unless Russia and allies get everything they want (as evidenced by the painfully awkward attempt to present Red China as a bastion of tradition and spirituality). Trump, populism, individualism v. collectivism et al are orthogonal to its actual goal, which is to promote Russian imperialism over its former satellites and justify their close ties with China.
Indeed.His proposition for Poland is to become either russians or germans,and he do not even akcnowledged existence of ukrainians and belarussians.
So,people should gladly become russian,or they are supporting Antichrist.Sorry,i do not buy that schit.

And common cause of christian,muslims and hindu? under which rock he hide last 20 years? muslims want other as corpses or converts,and for hindu only other hindu are people.
 

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And common cause of christian,muslims and hindu? under which rock he hide last 20 years? muslims want other as corpses or converts,and for hindu only other hindu are people.
Dugin isn't actually a Christian but some kind of weird syncretic neopagan. Early 20th cent. New Age stuff, basically theosophical argleblargle when you get down to it.
 
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Dugin isn't actually a Christian but some kind of weird syncretic neopagan. Early 20th cent. New Age stuff, basically theosophical argleblargle when you get down to it.
If he try mix christianity,islam,hinduism and other religion in New age pot,then he is supporting the same Antichrist he suppose to fight.Nothing new,really - antichrist is supposed to be great politicians uniting all religions in the name of peace.
And making hell on Eart,like his Lenin/Stalin/Hitler/Mao etc predecessors.
 

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For starters, see how it says ALL LIFE ON EARTH IS DOOMED unless Russia and allies get everything they want (as evidenced by the painfully awkward attempt to present Red China as a bastion of tradition and spirituality). Trump, populism, individualism v. collectivism et al are orthogonal to its actual goal, which is to promote Russian imperialism over its former satellites and justify their close ties with China.
What's the option for 'not our problem'? Because it isn't. I have no interest in going to war for the status quo unless the status quo offers me a better deal and I'm not alone in this, if the status quo wants massive wars fought with volunteer soldiers, it'll either need to offer the soldiers something better to motivate them to volunteer or seek alternatives (a service-guarantees-citizenship deal foreign legion/janissaries thing with third worlders or boston dynamics-brand ED-209s).
Keith Woods has a good video in the reset and the World Economic Forum

TL/DR?

The oligarchs will find ways to avoid paying billions upon billions in taxes, then give back a billion in the form of politicized philanthropy and make it sound like they are doing us a favor

It isn't just a tax cheat, but also an excuse to fund, propagandize for and bail out members of organizations which Protest™ by destroying plebeian housing and small businesses.
Indeed.His proposition for Poland is to become either russians or germans,and he do not even akcnowledged existence of ukrainians and belarussians.
So,people should gladly become russian,or they are supporting Antichrist.Sorry,i do not buy that schit.

And common cause of christian,muslims and hindu? under which rock he hide last 20 years? muslims want other as corpses or converts,and for hindu only other hindu are people.
So long as we have finite resources and no room for expansion, for people to make their own new societies if they're dissatisfied with the existing ones, conflict is inevitable. Therefore, you either need to plan to make your faction the most powerful and preemptively destroy every single rival faction so that you'll win said conflict (like the globalist Resetters are doing) or to acquire infinite resources and room for expansion and make the conflict redundant in the first place.
id like to note that we literally have an entire solar system full of resources, a closed system is not necessary.
I want out of Earth just to get away from the stupid policies.
Let's do the math.
• a single asteroid can contain up to $20 trillion worth of metals
• it could cost $27 Billion to mine an asteroid

With that in mind, why don't we already have asteroid mining? Why haven't we had it since the cold war space race?

The answer, because a self-sustaining space colony would be the corporatocracy's worst nightmare.

Barring some soft scifi-tier breakthroughs in engine technology, it'd always be cheaper to manufacture necessities on site from local raw materials than ship them from earth. So the corporatocracy wouldn't be able to maintain control through the threat of boycotts of essential products and raw materials. Likewise, importing scabs to decrease the value of the colonists' labor would be obscenely expensive and lightspeed lag would mean telepresence wouldn't be practical. Furthermore, the corporatocracy couldn't give a rebellious colony the gaddafi treatment, since the same spacecraft engine technologies which would be necessary to travel to the location of and establish a space colony in the first place could be very easily repurposed into ensuring MAD.

We've had viable technological concepts for colonizing and exploiting the resources of the solar system since the cold war space race and the potential profits are absolutely immense, so why are we only seeing the Musks and Bezoss of the world throwing funding at private spaceflight now rather than as soon as it became possible? Because the technology to get there and acquire useful resources was one thing, but the computing technology to do so with entirely robotic labor rather than with human astronauts who could inconveniently declare independence as soon as their colonies became self-sustaining and possessors of MAD deterrence with earthbound civilization's monopoly of force was another.
However, as Cherico already pointed out, there is a workaround in which everyone wins, if the system wasn't closed and we had more resources. And the technology to make that workaround exists, has existed since the cold war space race and in the long run, would more than pay for itself.

With that in mind, the only question becomes, why don't we already have asteroid mining and powersats? What are possible explanations for their absence?
  • The majority of the elite are ancient baby boomers whom, no matter how much they literally parasitize the youth, they'll still die of old age before the consequences of ruining the world hit. Just like they've done with everything else.
  • Thanks to corruption and monopolies, the ability to create money for the wealthy and massive corporations has became totally divorced from the ability to create anything of actual value. Rules of the scam being; Step one, create an economic crash, step two, offer to bribe politicians if they'll give you a bailout of money taken straight from the printer or taxpayers, step three, pay off said politician co-conspirators with some of the bailout money they gave you. At no point is actual value generated. In fact, since actually producing and selling products has a higher cost overhead than repeatedly perpetuating said scam, it will be economically selected against.
  • A self-sustaining colony would be impossible for the elite to control, specifically, to prevent it from just declaring independence, repurposing its infrastructure for moving asteroids around into a MAD deterrence to make said declaration have teeth and nationalizing all its infrastructure in the name of their new independent government, leaving the company or nation who funded them with no profit. Worse from the perspective of the elites, it'd mean the creation of outside competitors. In a couple centuries, with functionally unlimited resources and territory to expand in and no single monopolistic ideology meaning constant open or cold war ideological conflict between them to motivate technological advancement, the descendants of the space colonies would outnumber and technologically outgun the descendants of the earthbound elite.
The value of space infrastructure is clear, but the startup costs are so high, only major governments or corporations could afford it, and they're the only ones who'd stand to lose from its existence.
But infinite resources and room for expansion would mean that there could never be a specieswide empire like the Resetters want, since people can always just keep running further away or threaten MAD.
Minutes of the Last Meeting by Stepan Chapman said:
The Getaway Special by Jerry Oltion said:
“Wait a minute,” Judy said. “We’ve only been gone for two days, and it wasn’t looking that bad when we left. What the hell have you people been doing?”

“Fleeing for our lives,” the Frenchman replied. “Since Monsieur Meisner gave everyone the hyperdrive, we have all been waiting for bombs to appear over our cities. Until now, the threat of—how do you say—of mutual assured destruction has prevented war, but once our enemies build colonies elsewhere, mutual destruction is assured no more.”

“So you’re rushing to build a colony of your own,” Judy said.

“Yes.”

“Thereby triggering the very war you’re trying to avoid.”

“It doesn’t work that way,” Allen said, his voice filled with the same disdain he’d shown Carl Reinhardt back on board the shuttle. “As soon as people see that there’s room enough for everybody—”

“They will strike first to prevent their enemies from establishing a presence outside their control.” That was Tippet.

“They—the United States wouldn’t,” Allen said.

“Of course they would,” the Frenchman replied.

“It is the logical thing to do,” Tippet said. “Once your enemies escape your grasp, you have no more influence over their actions. Their beliefs and their way of life will spread unchecked. If you truly consider them enemies, then the most logical course of action would be to eradicate them before they can escape.”

“But… but…” Judy felt him quiver beside her in the sleeping bag. “That’s insane!”

“Perhaps,” Tippet said. “But it is the most logical course of action for beings who cannot subvert their enemies as we do.”

“Jesus H. Christ!” Allen shouted. “What the fuck is wrong with everyone? Nobody has to fight anybody ever again! That was the whole point of this whole goddamned thing.” He pounded the side of the tank with his fist. “The logical thing to do is to spread out until we’re not in each other’s faces anymore. There’s more than enough room! People should be dancing in the streets, but everyone who even hears about the hyperdrive seems hell-bent on making the absolute worst of it at every turn.”

Judy put her arms around him, as much for her own protection as to comfort him. In the dark, he couldn’t see where he was swinging his fists.

The Frenchman said, “We understand reality. The frottement—the friction—between nations is not always about land. It is often the idea. How do you say—the culture.”

Judy muttered, “Yeah, right. We’re going to snuff ourselves because I say tomato and you say what? Pommes frites?”

The Frenchman laughed softly. “Pommes frites are what you call French fries,” he said. “And you serve them in your despicable fast-food restaurants as an insult to our national cuisine. To a chef, that is cause enough to go to war.”

“All right, bad example,” she admitted, “but still. We’re not going to wipe out the planet to keep food snobs from getting a toehold somewhere else, and you’re not going to bomb us because we eat fried potatoes, are you?” She slid out of the sleeping bag and began feeling around for her clothes. It didn’t look like she would be sleeping again for a while.

The accented radio voice said, “Perhaps not. Who knows what madness lies at the root of our own government, much less someone else’s? But we have been ordered to carry at least one egg out of the nest just in case. We were supposed to establish our colony far enough away that we would not be found, but we obviously didn’t go far enough. We will not be so conservative on our next attempt.”

“You’re not going to try it again, are you?” Judy asked.

“We are. And this time we will go across the galaxy. Let you American spies try to find us then!”

“We’re not spies, and we don’t give a flying f—”

“Thank you for your assistance,” he said. “We must now recover our landing party, and then we will go. Adieu.”
 

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I dont think there should be a species wide empire.

Then again I'm the guy who wonders if leaving behind the days of city states was a good idea.
 

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I dont think there should be a species wide empire.
Neither do I, unless it consists of one in accordance with my beliefs on how human society should be governed, and since my beliefs aren't the majority and/or shared by anyone with the kind of authority to establish a specieswide empire, it wouldn't be.

The only people who do want the status quo to be given the power to run everything are those who already run the status quo. We're not them. We don't.

Unfortunately, we also don't have the power to do anything about it and they do.
 

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Neither do I, unless it consists of one in accordance with my beliefs on how human society should be governed, and since my beliefs aren't the majority and/or shared by anyone with the kind of authority to establish a specieswide empire, it wouldn't be.

The only people who do want the status quo to be given the power to run everything are those who already run the status quo. We're not them. We don't.

Unfortunately, we also don't have the power to do anything about it and they do.
I dont think they have the power to do it either.

Modernity is ending and that's an avalanche of painful change that will take place over an 80 year period.
 

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But infinite resources and room for expansion would mean that there could never be a specieswide empire like the Resetters want, since people can always just keep running further away or threaten MAD.
Something colonial empires have done before.
 

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I dont think there should be a species wide empire.

Then again I'm the guy who wonders if leaving behind the days of city states was a good idea.
Agree.But i would choose rather Christianitas - Europe united by FAITH,but divided in reality between small states,even if formally HRE or France had rulers claiming to rule them.
 
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