Additional realistic cases where the West and Russia avoid a direct confrontation but one of them fights the other's proxy?

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WolfBear

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Which additional realistic cases where the West and Russia avoid a direct confrontation but one of them fights the other's proxy could there have been? In real life, there were:

-Korea
-Vietnam
-Afghanistan
-Ukraine

In the first two wars here, the US fought Soviet proxies whereas in the second/last two wars here, the Soviet Union/Russia fought Western proxies.
 
WolfBear said:
Which additional realistic cases where the West and Russia avoid a direct confrontation but one of them fights the other's proxy could there have been? In real life, there were:

-Korea
-Vietnam
-Afghanistan
-Ukraine

In the first two wars here, the US fought Soviet proxies whereas in the second/last two wars here, the Soviet Union/Russia fought Western proxies.
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I'd argue that the Korea and Vietnam conflicts were far more China related than Russian. The Soviets were in a support role rather than driving those conflicts.

Really the Chinese civil war should be added to the list as the CCP was a proxy for Stalin.

Plus there were a ton of conflict IOTL in Latin America and Africa. Angola and South Africa related conflicts were definitely Soviet-American proxy conflicts for instance. The Middle East was one giant proxy conflict from the 1950s on.

Post-USSR the Georgian conflict was a Russian-American proxy conflict to some degree, even if only indirectly. Syria was too. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the Central Asian conflicts, including the internal ones, were to some degree a proxy conflict with the US and Russia.

I think the hotspots were largely all covered IOTL. You could argue something in Europe happening, but that would no doubt escalate into much more than a proxy conflict.
 
sillygoose said:
I'd argue that the Korea and Vietnam conflicts were far more China related than Russian. The Soviets were in a support role rather than driving those conflicts.

Really the Chinese civil war should be added to the list as the CCP was a proxy for Stalin.

Plus there were a ton of conflict IOTL in Latin America and Africa. Angola and South Africa related conflicts were definitely Soviet-American proxy conflicts for instance. The Middle East was one giant proxy conflict from the 1950s on.

Post-USSR the Georgian conflict was a Russian-American proxy conflict to some degree, even if only indirectly. Syria was too. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the Central Asian conflicts, including the internal ones, were to some degree a proxy conflict with the US and Russia.

I think the hotspots were largely all covered IOTL. You could argue something in Europe happening, but that would no doubt escalate into much more than a proxy conflict.
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Agree on Korea, disagree on Vietnam.
There was no love lost between the Vietnamese and the Chinese, ever.
 
sillygoose said:
I'd argue that the Korea and Vietnam conflicts were far more China related than Russian. The Soviets were in a support role rather than driving those conflicts.
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And the West is not in a support role in the current Ukraine conflict? Or for that matter, with their support of the Mujahideen during the Afghan-Soviet War in the 1980s?
 
WolfBear said:
And the West is not in a support role in the current Ukraine conflict? Or for that matter, with their support of the Mujahideen during the Afghan-Soviet War in the 1980s?
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That's why I didn't mention them.

Agent23 said:
And they invaded Viatnam afterwards, and Vietnam had to fight a war with their Cambodian proxies.
Also, from what I have heard the Vietnamese had to pay for most of the stuff they got from china.
Trust me, there is no love lost between those countries.
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From what I can find they only paid in blood since they lacked the money to pay for what they got.

China in the Vietnam War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

For all the 'no love lost' claims the Chinese went in pretty hard to support NV. The fall out only came after the war with the US ended in '73.
 
WolfBear said:
Did you know about this link before I showed it to you?
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I don't recall that you showed it to me. I found it on a quick google search while looking for sources. I have others somewhere on my hard drive, just was looking for something quick and easy to find.
 
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