A discussion on the nuking of Japan

[Scottty]

The American willingness to firebomb Japanese cities in WW2 becomes more understandable when one considers the extreme atrocities committed by the Japanese military in the places they occupied.

Who was it who said: "By the time we're finished with them, the Japanese language will be spoken only in Hell!" ?

 

[CarlManvers2019]

The American willingness to firebomb Japanese cities in WW2 becomes more understandable when one considers the extreme atrocities committed by the Japanese military in the places they occupied.

Who was it who said: "By the time we're finished with them, the Japanese language will be spoken only in Hell!" ?

You know, one thing I always remember from my school and college history classes, was the apparent insane levels of sadism the Japanese inflicted during their occupation in the Philippines

Sure, they tried to be friendly, if only to conquer us, but at times there was some obvious fake-smiling-politeness like what I remember regarding some comic artist they brought over who made comics wherein the Filipinos were highly cooperative and friendly with the Japanese.....probably just the nicer of them

Their soldiers liked bayoneting people on the march and hanging babies off em

 

[S'task]

You know, one thing I always remember from my school and college history classes, was the apparent insane levels of sadism the Japanese inflicted during their occupation in the Philippines

Sure, they tried to be friendly, if only to conquer us, but at times there was some obvious fake-smiling-politeness like what I remember regarding some comic artist they brought over who made comics wherein the Filipinos were highly cooperative and friendly with the Japanese.....probably just the nicer of them

Their soldiers liked bayoneting people on the march and hanging babies off em

Something to consider.

The Japanese were so brutal that once Japan occupied the Philippines the Filipino rebels who had been fighting the Americans (since at the time the Philippines were an American Territory) nearly immediately flipped and started cooperating and coordinating with the Americans. Basically, the Japanese were so brutal that the rebels against the Americans nearly immediately went "you know what, we want the Americans back"...

 

[Cherico]

Something to consider.

The Japanese were so brutal that once Japan occupied the Philippines the Filipino rebels who had been fighting the Americans (since at the time the Philippines were an American Territory) nearly immediately flipped and started cooperating and coordinating with the Americans. Basically, the Japanese were so brutal that the rebels against the Americans nearly immediately went "you know what, we want the Americans back"...

Probally because we had already agreed to a hand over of power back into Philippine hands and were in the process of transitioning away anyways.

 

[Navarro]

But there was another option: allowing the Japanese a conditional surrender. That would have ended the war - it just wouldn't have ended it the way that the Allied politicians wanted it to end: with unconditional surrender and every Axis govt figure being tried as war-criminals.

So no, the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki didn't have to be incinerated in order for the war to end. They had to be incinerated so that the Americans could get to hang Tojo.

The only condition the Japanese were seemingly willing to accept is "we get to keep everything we conquered before Pearl Harbour".

But apart from that, it's very telling that the "no nukes!" people ignore that the invasion plan for Operation Downfall involved seven nukes being used on Japanese cities.

The IJA attempted a coup against the emperor who was still nominally the center of Japanese imperial power. After the bombs were dropped.

It's worth noting here that the Emperor was also a central Japanese religious figure on account of his alleged descent from the sun goddess Amaterasu. If the militarists were willing to carry out a coup against him ...

 

[CarlManvers2019]

The only condition the Japanese were seemingly willing to accept is "we get to keep everything we conquered before Pearl Harbour".

But apart from that, it's very telling that the "no nukes!" people ignore that the invasion plan for Operation Downfall involved seven nukes being used on Japanese cities.

How many people even know all this? I think most known history is abridged

 

[Bacle]

The American willingness to firebomb Japanese cities in WW2 becomes more understandable when one considers the extreme atrocities committed by the Japanese military in the places they occupied.

Who was it who said: "By the time we're finished with them, the Japanese language will be spoken only in Hell!" ?

I think that was Halsey.

 

[Fleiur]

Something to consider.

The Japanese were so brutal that once Japan occupied the Philippines the Filipino rebels who had been fighting the Americans (since at the time the Philippines were an American Territory) nearly immediately flipped and started cooperating and coordinating with the Americans. Basically, the Japanese were so brutal that the rebels against the Americans nearly immediately went "you know what, we want the Americans back"...

Not really. Americans were brutals too during the Philippine-American war. The Philippines just want independence from the colonizers (Spanish /Americans) .

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Not really. Americans were brutals too during the Philippine-American war. The Philippines just want independence from the colonizers (Spanish /Americans) .

And the USA bought us mid-win from the Spanish

 

[Erwin_Pommel]

Whether the Russians entering the war or the bombs caused Japan to surrender will always be an issue of contention. I've found that those who support it being the Russian entry tend to also be those who have general anti-American or at least America-skeptical attitudes and views.

Dunno about that, but most people I talk to about the Russians always consistently agree that the Russians were the lynchpin on the basis that the US would've at least kept their culture intact to some extent while the Russians would've smashed it down into dust before making cement, the nuclear bomb just served as a safeguard to the Japs as they saw a weapon that could deal with Russia's legendary numbers and it was in use by a country with just as many bodies to pull from. No politics really determining any of it, well, bar the politics of the sides involved and what an occupation from each would've brought with them.

Though, I have no idea if professionals view this as accurate or not, just what I have observed and compiled.

Western civ will live on.

It better, tis one of the best out there.