A couple specific PoDs for the Russian Civil War

[raharris1973]

What happens in the Civil War if there is no revolt of the Czech Legion on May 14, 1918? Revolt of the Czechoslovak Legion - Wikipedia. - How much less extensive and shorter might the Russian Civil War be, with what affect on the early USSR and its borders in Europe and elsewhere? Perhaps there is no revolt because the Czechs transit to the Pacific Ocean is incident-free, or the Czechs are disarmed/controlled by the Bolsheviks, or perhaps, in an even earlier PoD, they are unavailable to revolt because they've been wiped out in battle or executed/imprisoned by the CPs in battle before the Brest Litovsk peace took effect, instead of winning the battle of Bakhmach and using that to escape capture/execution. Battle of Bakhmach - Wikipedia

And for a somewhat later PoD, what if there is no coup by Admiral Kolchak against the SR-dominated Komuch anti-Bolshevik government of Omsk on 17 Nov 1918? So the anti-Boleshevik effort in Siberia and eastern Russia remains politically subordinate to the modern socialists of the Constituent Assembly rather than reactionary militarists. In essence, in that area at least, it's not so much Reds versus Whites, as Reds versus Greens. Provisional All-Russian Government - Wikipedia

 

[WolfBear]

And for a somewhat later PoD, what if there is no coup by Admiral Kolchak against the SR-dominated Komuch anti-Bolshevik government of Omsk on 17 Nov 1918? So the anti-Boleshevik effort in Siberia and eastern Russia remains politically subordinate to the modern socialists of the Constituent Assembly rather than reactionary militarists. In essence, in that area at least, it's not so much Reds versus Whites, as Reds versus Greens. Provisional All-Russian Government - Wikipedia

What exactly motivated Kolchak to launch this coup of his? The Greens could have more popular legitimacy, and they would benefit if the White forces rallied behind them.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Greens were never even close to being an unified movement, they had no ideology, they were just locally organised peasants, defending their regions from depredations of all warring factions.

 

[ATP]

What happens in the Civil War if there is no revolt of the Czech Legion on May 14, 1918? Revolt of the Czechoslovak Legion - Wikipedia. - How much less extensive and shorter might the Russian Civil War be, with what affect on the early USSR and its borders in Europe and elsewhere? Perhaps there is no revolt because the Czechs transit to the Pacific Ocean is incident-free, or the Czechs are disarmed/controlled by the Bolsheviks, or perhaps, in an even earlier PoD, they are unavailable to revolt because they've been wiped out in battle or executed/imprisoned by the CPs in battle before the Brest Litovsk peace took effect, instead of winning the battle of Bakhmach and using that to escape capture/execution. Battle of Bakhmach - Wikipedia

And for a somewhat later PoD, what if there is no coup by Admiral Kolchak against the SR-dominated Komuch anti-Bolshevik government of Omsk on 17 Nov 1918? So the anti-Boleshevik effort in Siberia and eastern Russia remains politically subordinate to the modern socialists of the Constituent Assembly rather than reactionary militarists. In essence, in that area at least, it's not so much Reds versus Whites, as Reds versus Greens. Provisional All-Russian Government - Wikipedia

1.White would fall,just like in OTL.Only difference - more dead Czech,and Czech state has less gold.Becouse Czech Legion take a lot of russian gold with them home.

2.Lenin would lost.Easy like that.Or,at least,never take Siberia.I read memories of polish soldiers who fought soviets there - Kolczak lost,becouse people in Siberia started fight him,becouse of his politics.

 

[raharris1973]

1.White would fall,just like in OTL.Only difference - more dead Czech,and Czech state has less gold.Becouse Czech Legion take a lot of russian gold with them home.

2.Lenin would lost.Easy like that.Or,at least,never take Siberia.I read memories of polish soldiers who fought soviets there - Kolczak lost,becouse people in Siberia started fight him,becouse of his politics.

Interesting -

So in your view, the Czech rising was important for giving the Whites a chance, even though it wasn't enough, and even though they walked off with Russian gold. I guess if they don't take the gold, the Reds get the gold.

But, in your view, Kolchak's politics were bad for the politics of the anti-Bolsheviks, whatever color you want to call them (Green/White).

 

[WolfBear]

Interesting -

So in your view, the Czech rising was important for giving the Whites a chance, even though it wasn't enough, and even though they walked off with Russian gold. I guess if they don't take the gold, the Reds get the gold.

But, in your view, Kolchak's politics were bad for the politics of the anti-Bolsheviks, whatever color you want to call them (Green/White).

This is somewhat off-topic, but I was wondering: If the Greens are actually able to form a sizable army of their own and win the Russian Civil War, would they subsequently attempt to spread the Russian Revolution into Persia? :

Jungle Movement of Gilan - Wikipedia

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When the Red Flag Flew Over Iran

In 1920, a Soviet Socialist Republic was established in Iran’s Gilan province. A century later, the short-lived state stands as a powerful reminder of the long-running struggles in the Middle East to defeat both foreign imperialism and domestic oppressors.

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[PsihoKekec]

Becouse Czech Legion take a lot of russian gold with them home.

No they didn't, they handed over the gold and Kolchak to the Bolsheviks in exchange for free passage to Vladivostok.

 

[ATP]

Interesting -

So in your view, the Czech rising was important for giving the Whites a chance, even though it wasn't enough, and even though they walked off with Russian gold. I guess if they don't take the gold, the Reds get the gold.

But, in your view, Kolchak's politics were bad for the politics of the anti-Bolsheviks, whatever color you want to call them (Green/White).

1.No,Czech do not gave russians anything.They could be as wel all killed in the beginning.
And Kolczak buried chances for free Syberia,or maybe even entire Russia.

No they didn't, they handed over the gold and Kolchak to the Bolsheviks in exchange for free passage to Vladivostok.

They betrayed polish dyvision which was mostly destroyed by soviets,russian refugees who was with them,and Kolczak.But not gold.Most was taken with them,they remained loyal to their principles.