Star Wars A Better Solo

ShadowArxxy

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Even as a fan of her Mandos, she was a little...to overboard on the Anti-jedi stuff. I like the more down to earth stuff. This is why I honestly liked Solo. Sure it was based on a MAIN character of the series, but it was still more down to earth

Ehhh, Solo was a horrific miscast in my opinion -- Ehrenreich is utterly unconvincing as Solo in every possible way, including, "This man has the second most punchable face and mannerisms I've ever seen in an human being, to the point where I'm actively rooting for the bad guys to maim him."

I can totally buy Ehrenreich as a smug, smarmy, officious, and dubiously competent Imperial officer; I cannot buy for a moment that he has the *slightest* independent personality, nor any alignment other than "lawful double stupid".
 

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Ehhh, Solo was a horrific miscast in my opinion -- Ehrenreich is utterly unconvincing as Solo in every possible way, including, "This man has the second most punchable face and mannerisms I've ever seen in an human being, to the point where I'm actively rooting for the bad guys to maim him."

I can totally buy Ehrenreich as a smug, smarmy, officious, and dubiously competent Imperial officer; I cannot buy for a moment that he has the *slightest* independent personality, nor any alignment other than "lawful double stupid".
He did good in my opinion. Could have been a better choice yes, but he did a decent job and think he played Solo well.
 

Skallagrim

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My own issue -- subjectively -- with Solo is that it's impossible for me to enjoy it after having read the old EU's books about Han's background.

In a more objective sense, the film is structurally unsound. Fairly weak opening, very strong middle, then falls apart again. That's too bad, because the middle section has real promise.

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Ideal scenario: cut Han out entirely, re-imagine the film as Lando, and make it all about how he gets in trouble with the Imperials, somehow gets forced into providing services for the military to escape prison/execution, falls in with Beckett & co. ...and then they have to plan a really big heist and deal with a shady crime syndicate. A femme fatale from Lando's past being involved works, too. (Works better than it does for Han, even.) Done. Just expand those bits, and make it a bit more like Ocean's Eleven in space. Now it's cool, and it doesn't mess with people's conceptions of Han. Instead, the film expands on a character who is already firmly established as really cool, but whose backstory is open to free interpretation without stepping on (m)any toes.

You can thrown in a final scene where Lando uses his share of the loot to buy his way into a big sabacc tournament, and comments to another character about how he's going to clean the place out. Lots of suckers and easy marks trying to make it big in the tournament. Kids who don't know what they're doing. "I haven't even heard of half these nobodies! Look at this one -- what kind of a name is 'Han Solo' anyway?"

And as they wander off, still bikering about Lando's odds, we know that a legendary acquaintance is about to be made...

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(Anyway: the freedom to tell a story without having to drag in the A-list Big Name Characters is one of the things that make The Mandalorian work so well, I think. You can throw in some more famous characters on occassion, but it's essentially a "side story", and that's part of the fun.)
 

DarthOne

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My own issue -- subjectively -- with Solo is that it's impossible for me to enjoy it after having read the old EU's books about Han's background.

In a more objective sense, the film is structurally unsound. Fairly weak opening, very strong middle, then falls apart again. That's too bad, because the middle section has real promise.

---------

Ideal scenario: cut Han out entirely, re-imagine the film as Lando, and make it all about how he gets in trouble with the Imperials, somehow gets forced into providing services for the military to escape prison/execution, falls in with Beckett & co. ...and then they have to plan a really big heist and deal with a shady crime syndicate. A femme fatale from Lando's past being involved works, too. (Works better than it does for Han, even.) Done. Just expand those bits, and make it a bit more like Ocean's Eleven in space. Now it's cool, and it doesn't mess with people's conceptions of Han. Instead, the film expands on a character who is already firmly established as really cool, but whose backstory is open to free interpretation without stepping on (m)any toes.

You can thrown in a final scene where Lando uses his share of the loot to buy his way into a big sabacc tournament, and comments to another character about how he's going to clean the place out. Lots of suckers and easy marks trying to make it big in the tournament. Kids who don't know what they're doing. "I haven't even heard of half these nobodies! Look at this one -- what kind of a name is 'Han Solo' anyway?"

And as they wander off, still bikering about Lando's odds, we know that a legendary acquaintance is about to be made...

---------

(Anyway: the freedom to tell a story without having to drag in the A-list Big Name Characters is one of the things that make The Mandalorian work so well, I think. You can throw in some more famous characters on occassion, but it's essentially a "side story", and that's part of the fun.)
Now THAT I would have paid money to see.
 

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I always thought Solo would've been excellent as a high budget Television series myself.



This is also the official position of The Sietch Twitter account so... it's very canon as far as this forum is concerned.
 

Skallagrim

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I always thought Solo would've been excellent as a high budget Television series myself.



This is also the official position of The Sietch Twitter account so... it's very canon as far as this forum is concerned.

Some space to breathe would have addressed quite a few issues. The plot could still do with some real overhauling, though. The whole notion of taking Han's various adventures and spreading them out over a period of a few years would work.
 

ShadowArxxy

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I always thought Solo would've been excellent as a high budget Television series myself.

As long as such a series existed in parallel to rather than in place of The Mandalorian, and as long as they cast someone other than smarmy-face Ehrenreich, I could absolutely dig that.
 
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I always thought Solo was out of the Disney SW, the most passable. I gave it a 6/10.

Personally I think it was not great, but definitely not bad.
 

prinCZess

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Ehrenreich I thought...almost fit?

It's weird, honestly. His whole performance and/or the character was an 'almost' both internally and externally. In the story he always looked like he didn't quite fit--he looked like a kid playing dress-up in Imperial uniform or in smuggler's duds--and combined with his kind of...off, almost-charm that was almost 'Han Solo' but wasn't, it almost approached that level where it was believeble this was a 'young' Han Solo that had yet to perfect the Harrison Ford smirk-and-shrug attitude...But it wasn't, so it felt off.

That offness only made worse by the fact that Ehrenreich...Yeah, just has something of a look about him in just features terms that's off-putting. And there too there's an 'almost' to it in comparison with Ford as older-Solo...But it isn't. Perhaps if that former, 'in-character' appearance had come closer throughout or developed into a much-closer imitation where it might have been mistaken for a 'full-grown' Solo's charms and mannerisms then Ehrenreich's looks would've been less off-putting and faded into the background, but they didn't (least for me). Course, that's something of a pitfall/challenge of trying to do prequels of established characters using different actors and whatnot.

Though, on the other side of things--maybe it's influenced by him appearing much less and so not there being less chance for anything to show through or be bothersome--but Donald Glover's portrayal of Lando seemed very-much spot-on. @Skallagrim actually laid-out a slightly-detailed version of the idea I had at the time and since that the movie should have been since its inception and would have worked better if it was Lando: A Star Wars Story, because that'd open up a lot more potential shenanigans that don't have to feel so rushed or shoehorned-in, and Glover just pulled a more convincing character than Ehrenreich (though, again, maybe that would have fallen-down the same trap with more screentime required).

All that said, of the Disney Star Wars movies, Solo is easily my second-favorite after Rogue One. I'd hesitate on calling it good just because...Yeah, pacing issues and the mentioned character/acting complaints, and as another old EU junkie I kind of was put-out by the Disneyfication of Han Solo's backstory that refused any real degree of actual 'scoundrel' to pop-in in favor of, like, an Oliver-ified story of orphanhood and lost love and the like. But there's a core there of ideas and elements that could come together well...And some of that might well be attributable to 'executive meddling' and the horse-swap of directors or producers or writers or whatever happened there that I recall.
 

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