Election 2020 95.000 illegals vote illegally in Texas

Urabrask Revealed

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So, contrary to the claims of democrats and others, illegals DO vote without permit to serve their own needs. This stuff right there why Voter-ID should a required part of voting. But unfortunately the demorats have a vested interest in preventing such a law from getting through. Can't outvote the local population without importing obdient voters after all.
 

Husky_Khan

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Looks like you added a zero there for the subject title... but other then that...

Washington Times said:
How did Mr. Whitley obtain the numbers? He compared two main databases — Department of Public Safety driver license records, which include immigration status, and voter rolls. He found about 95,000 noncitizens registered among 16 million voters on Texas rosters, of whom 58,000 actually voted since 1996.

In issuing driver licenses, the Department of Public Safety verifies an applicant is a legal U.S. resident by checking with the Department of Homeland Security. But proof of citizenship isn’t needed to register to vote.

 

Arch Dornan

Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Man, if the demorats try to pull this shit again, they will get tarred and feathered along with their precious illegals. Nooses aren't out of the question by that point.
Should be two proposals to that tar and feather or something else to avoid it. They can be the host to the lucky illegals chosen who get access to their house, credit cards and whatever they own.
 

Greengrass

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This is a year old and also it's not accurate.

 

Urabrask Revealed

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This is a year old and also it's not accurate.
“It’s clear that the right-wing elements in Texas government are trying to rig the system to keep power and disenfranchise 95,000 American citizens,” said Domingo Garcia, national president of the League of United Latin American Citizens. “There is no voter fraud in Texas. It’s a lie repeated time and again to suppress minority voters, and we’re going to fight hard against it.”

How did Mr. Whitley obtain the numbers? He compared two main databases — Department of Public Safety driver license records, which include immigration status, and voter rolls. He found about 95,000 noncitizens registered among 16 million voters on Texas rosters, of whom 58,000 actually voted since 1996.
There is still voting fraud, and the demorats of Texas continue to lie without the slightest trace of shame about this because they profit from it.
 
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Erwin_Pommel

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Voter-ID should a required part of voting.
Out of curiosity, what sort of ID?

Over here when I voted in the recent PM and the earlier MEP election, you get sent a letter thing which you take to the poll and then someone at the poll will ask for your name and address before handing you a slip to tick. So something like that or something else?
 

Urabrask Revealed

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Out of curiosity, what sort of ID?

Over here when I voted in the recent PM and the earlier MEP election, you get sent a letter thing which you take to the poll and then someone at the poll will ask for your name and address before handing you a slip to tick. So something like that or something else?
Yes, except you present your ID card along with the letter rather than stating name and address. That's how Germany does it.
 

Tryglaw

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Yes, except you present your ID card along with the letter rather than stating name and address. That's how Germany does it.

Hmmm, in Poland one has to show his legal ID with picture and state your address, there's a register of voters listed by domicile, so the person handing out the voting cards checks ID against register. Obviously, you need to be Polish citizen to vote (as evidenced by your ID and register).
 

Erwin_Pommel

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Hm, so is there any particular reason why voter ID is not so big in the US? Democrat interference so they can get a "consistent" voter base? Or another reason? ID seems pretty common other here when it comes to voting.
 

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Hm, so is there any particular reason why voter ID is not so big in the US? Democrat interference so they can get a "consistent" voter base? Or another reason? ID seems pretty common other here when it comes to voting.

The consistent argument made against it is that voter ID is just a racist trick used by the GOP to suppress the votes of people they don't like. For a number of reasons, I doubt the veracity of that, or the existence of these hordes of people running around with no valid ID.

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Bear Ribs

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One thing I think is important to keep in mind is that aliens "vote" in elections even if they don't get to actually cast a ballot.

How much a given state is worth in terms of house seats and electoral college votes is based on the population of the state, which in turn is based on census data, and the census does not check for citizenship (and there was a massive hate storm when Trump tried to add a citizenship question to the census to correct for this).

As a result if a state has, say, 2,000,000 citizens and 3,000,000 aliens the district is counted as having 5,000,000 people for voting purposes. Meanwhile a neighboring state with 2,500,000 citizens and no aliens would be reckoned as having half the value for political counts even though they have more actual voting citizens (Note, that's an extreme case and I'm not aware of any state actually having more aliens than citizens).

Given the winner take all nature of elections in the US this means a state leaning strongly in one direction can massively inflate their influence and power by importing large quantities of illegal immigrants. However since the census is only done every 10 years this means a state trying to take advantage of that loophole would need to make strong efforts to make itself as enticing as possible to illegal immigrants in the year or two leading up to the census.
 

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One thing to understand is that under the US Constitution, each state controls its own electors to some extent, although certain requirements can be made federally. The rules can vary by state to some degree.

In Florida, I did once get a voter's ID card when I registered or confirmed registration to vote, but they also tend to accept driver's licenses. For all I know (I haven't tried), my security officer's license might even work for it (although I doubt it somewhat since it doesn't list my address).

As for the opposition to the Voter ID law proposals, from what I recall at the moment of the arguments, it boils down to a belief that it would be a shadow poll tax, either directly (if it requires DL or state issued photo ID that costs money, thus impacting the impoverished) or indirectly (forcing people with limited transportation means to spend fare money to go to offices to get/renew such IDs, or making it impossible if they work regular jobs that keep them from getting to the office while it's open).

The accusations extend beyond voter ID as well. IIRC it was North Carolina that some time ago ended early voting on Sundays, and it was noted that it was the practice of African-American church communities to organize voting drives following their Sunday services.

Personally, I'm fine with voter IDs, but I don't want any chicanery with them. Make them free, and make it easy for any citizen to get one. For instance, in Seminole County FL, I registered online (back in 2014 when I moved back into the county from Orange County). So long as you require something like a valid social security number it should work well enough. Not 100% fraud proof, but
what is 100% fraud proof?
 

Captain X

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Personally I find the arguments against pretty stupid. I will always bring up needing an ID and to do a background check to purchase a firearm when someone tries to make this argument. For me it's a matter of due diligence, and I'm pretty sure the people making this argument know that it's bullshit and they're just making excuses to get around the fact they want non-citizens to vote, because they expect that they will vote Democrat.

As for other issues related to voting, they have more of an argument. Personally, I think that election day should be a kind of national holiday, with all businesses and non-essential agencies being forced to remain closed in the same way Blue Laws kept them closed on Sunday mornings.
 

Lanmandragon

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Hm, so is there any particular reason why voter ID is not so big in the US? Democrat interference so they can get a "consistent" voter base? Or another reason? ID seems pretty common other here when it comes to voting.
During Jim Crow things like "voter ID" and literacy tests. We're used to actively prevent black citizen'sfrom voting. The Dems tap into the emotional reaction to that blatant injustice. Then project it onto any and all attempts to get voter I'd laws to pass.
 

Big Steve

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Oh guess which party did that? The Democrats unless you buy the "southern strategy" nonesense.

Whether or not you believe in the existence of the Southern Strategy as a deliberate act, it's pretty clear that the South has steadily shifted toward the GOP since the 1970s, particularly escalating in the 90s. Coming after a very public schism where many Southerners tried to create a third party rather than vote Democrat or even Republican, just for their regional third party candidacies to fail to do more than win some of the Deep South states.

Arguably, what's happened is that there used to be an alliance between the urban working class and unionizers and agrarian Southern whites to oppose the Republicans' traditional focus on supporting Big Business. But the urbanites, especially the West Coast and Northeast ones, embraced a progressivist plank that included racial equality (although not always easily or whole-heartedly), and many Southern whites saw this as an attack on Southern social structure, so they started breaking with the Democrats over it. As was seen with the aforementioned third party runs in 1948 and later in the 60s.

Modern Democrats have few links left to the old coalition, so they feel free to wave the bloody shirt of the Civil Rights movement (aided by JFK and LBJ both backing civil rights legislation, so they have that going for them) since they don't consider the Southern Democrats to be "their" predecessors.

The GOP, with its continued favor toward laissez-faire-esque policy and limiting government, and especially federal, power, are attractive to the traditional Southern viewpoint of state's rights, so it's no surprise that having lost the Democratic Party to the urban progressives and liberals, they've turned to alliance with the GOP.

Which, of course, means modern Dems feel free to make such attacks on the GOP on the matter of voting rights and accusations of plans to disenfranchise minorities and the poor.
 

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