2007 EU gets ISOTed to 1957(And 1947)

[Agent23]

ASB is bored of all the "USA goes back in time..." timelines and decides to do something different for a change.

So he grabs the continental EU(No UK or Ireland, or other overseas possessions aside from islands in the Mediterranean) and throws it 50 years back in time.

What happens?

EDIT: By popular demand this will have an AH of its own, where the ISOT goes back earlier to 1947.
@Buba @ATP may it never be said that I dislike Poles or that I am not a man of the people.

 

[ATP]

ASB is bored of all the "USA goes back in time..." timelines and decides to do something different for a change.

So he grabs the continental EU(No UK or Ireland, or other overseas possessions aside from islands in the Mediterranean) and throws it 50 years back in time.

What happens?

1.Are USA troops from 2007 send in time,too?
2.2007 EU mean Poland,Hungary,Czech and Baltic states,right?

If EU include former soviet colonies,1957 soviets almost certainly send army
If it include Baltic states,they invade for sure.

What next? if they only want hold baltic states,probably notching.If they go for all,we have war,they lost on land,use H bombs,USA retaliate.....
Basically,becouse soviets do not have missilies capable of reaching USA yet,soviets are burned to the ground,EU partially burned,and USA intact.

Congratulations,you created another Murica rule scenario!

 

[Agent23]

1.Are USA troops from 2007 send in time,too?
2.2007 EU mean Poland,Hungary,Czech and Baltic states,right?

If EU include former soviet colonies,1957 soviets almost certainly send army
If it include Baltic states,they invade for sure.

What next? if they only want hold baltic states,probably notching.If they go for all,we have war,they lost on land,use H bombs,USA retaliate.....
Basically,becouse soviets do not have missilies capable of reaching USA yet,soviets are burned to the ground,EU partially burned,and USA intact.

Congratulations,you created another Murica rule scenario!

Here is the map:

So, yeah, basically most of Europe.

Technological and qualitive improvements in armaments can probably offset much of any remaining Soviet numerical advantage.

Between the growing rift with the USSR, a lot of lost troops in Poland and East Germany and the like, and with the USSR still being in a very bad state after WWII I am skeptical that they will be able to do much.

They will know what a nuke can do, and France will be obliged to stop any incursion into the Baltics and Poland with nukes if necessary, which reminds me, I am pretty sure that the 2007 french arsenal will likely be larger than what the USA has, let alone the soviets.
EDIT:

Historical nuclear weapons stockpiles and nuclear tests by country - Wikipedia

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Well, looks like it will not be larger than the USA's but certainly quantitively and qualitively bigger than the USSR's.

As to the American forces, well, the kit will be there, the people will be reverse ISOTed back to their own time and country, to make things more fun and get us closer to a Yurup, fuck yeah, timeline.
We already have enough potential uptime sympathizers for both of the other sides, thank you very much.

 

[ATP]

Here is the map:

So, yeah, basically most of Europe.

Technological and qualitive improvements in armaments can probably offset much of any remaining Soviet numerical advantage.

Between the growing rift with the USSR, a lot of lost troops in Poland and East Germany and the like, and with the USSR still being in a very bad state after WWII I am skeptical that they will be able to do much.

They will know what a nuke can do, and France will be obliged to stop any incursion into the Baltics and Poland with nukes if necessary, which reminds me, I am pretty sure that the 2007 french arsenal will likely be larger than what the USA has, let alone the soviets.

1957 USA had about 1000 bombers capable of reaching soviets with escort and come back.
France 2007 had more missiles,but it hardly mattered.
And,i doubt that they would risk fate of France becouse of not french.
I think,that even if soviets were nuking germany,but not close to french borders,they would stil did nuthing.

I still think,that you created MURICA rule scenario.

And,ultimatelly,better world for survivors - no soviets,and USA would be warned about woke and remain normal.

 

[Agent23]

1957 USA had about 1000 bombers capable of reaching soviets with escort and come back.
France 2007 had more missiles,but it hardly mattered.
And,i doubt that they would risk fate of France becouse of not french.
I think,that even if soviets were nuking germany,but not close to french borders,they would stil did nuthing.

That is still more nukes than the USSR had, and the french have a better strategic triad, and 300 not 200.
More powerful and compact designs, too.

And the USSR lost all it's military forces in Eastern Europe, that includes nukes, hundreds of thousands of their best troops and thousands of tanks.

They might panic and try to nuke someone, but ultimately their air force and PVO will likely be unable to do jack shit to the combined European military force and they will have to swallow the loss of the Baltic countries.

And if they have any sense they will become capitalism and fast.

Also, I am pretty sure someone will leak them all about the Sino-Soviet split.

Then the question will become "why should we fight the Euros, so that the Americans or the Chinese can take over?"

 

[ATP]

That is still more nukes than the USSR had, and the french have a better strategic triad, and 300 not 200.
More powerful and compact designs, too.

And the USSR lost all it's military forces in Eastern Europe, that includes nukes, hundreds of thousands of their best troops and thousands of tanks.

They might panic and try to nuke someone, but ultimately their air force and PVO will likely be unable to do jack shit to the combined European military force and they will have to swallow the loss of the Baltic countries.

And if they have any sense they will become capitalism and fast.

Also, I am pretty sure someone will leak them all about the Sino-Soviet split.

Then the question will become "why should we fight the Euros, so that the Americans or the Chinese can take over?"

If Kruszczow react in logical way - yes.But if he feel that he must prove sometching,then Europe would still burn.
I think,that you could just toss a coin to check what would happen.

And,about Capitalism - soviet leaders in 1957 still belived in their rotten Faith,so - not going to happen.

 

[Wishing Whale]

America's not going to win anything if you were from 2007 you are not going to want to move to the 1957 United States, I wouldn't first time somebody said certain words to me, all right. I don't think so. That's not my country that's just some second rate shit hole who cares what color a child is if they drink from a water fountain. Till that's resolved, and then even after, I'm staying in Europe, I'll stay in whatever country I'm in or move to one of the other ones.

Which reminds me in this case it's very possible that the EU does actually become a single country.

 

[Agent23]

America's not going to win anything if you were from 2007 you are not going to want to move to the 1957 United States, I wouldn't first time somebody said certain words to me, all right. I don't think so. That's not my country that's just some second rate shit hole who cares what color a child is if they drink from a water fountain. Till that's resolved, and then even after, I'm staying in Europe, I'll stay in whatever country I'm in or move to one of the other ones.

Which reminds me in this case it's very possible that the EU does actually become a single country.

We might even get some skilled migrants FROM the USA, considering we will have more advanced technology and the like.

We will be taking over most manufacturing from the USA, too, thank you very much.

 

[Wishing Whale]

We might even get some skilled migrants FROM the USA, considering we will have more advanced technology and the like.

We will be taking over most manufacturing from the USA, too, thank you very much.

It might be better for the uptime forces to become the government of the United States until it reaches such time as it civilized again enough to govern itself.

 

[ATP]

America's not going to win anything if you were from 2007 you are not going to want to move to the 1957 United States, I wouldn't first time somebody said certain words to me, all right. I don't think so. That's not my country that's just some second rate shit hole who cares what color a child is if they drink from a water fountain. Till that's resolved, and then even after, I'm staying in Europe, I'll stay in whatever country I'm in or move to one of the other ones.

Which reminds me in this case it's very possible that the EU does actually become a single country.

Single country? you mean IV Reich,i think.Nobody except german agents would want it,people still remembered german crimes then.

 

[Buba]

To avoid nuking scearios - maybe 1953 as Soviets have very few warheads? Or even better - 1947?
Nevertheless, due to disparity in numbers of conventonal forces, it will the French force frappe saving Europe from the Soviets. Be it as deterrent or "nukes fly" ...

 

[Agent23]

To avoid nuking scearios - maybe 1953 as Soviets have very few warheads? Or even better - 1947?
Nevertheless, due to disparity in numbers of conventonal forces, it will the French force frappe saving Europe from the Soviets. Be it as deterrent or "nukes fly" ...

They lost a huge amount of their existing military, they are still licking their wounds after WWII and some other conflicts and they have to think of China and the USA, too.
And Europe has the technical and manpower edge.

They would be insane to try anything.

 

[ATP]

They lost a huge amount of their existing military, they are still licking their wounds after WWII and some other conflicts and they have to think of China and the USA, too.
And Europe has the technical and manpower edge.

They would be insane to try anything.

They were insane and almost start WW3 over Cuba.Here,when their property is free again ? they would attack - and get beaten.
But ,they would use A and H bombs then,so Europe would burn.
Only winners would be :
1.USA - they rule the world with what is left of 2007 technology
2.Catholic Church - even if Rome get burned,we would have normal pope,and could purge homo mafia
3.China - they get Siberia


But,what with 2007 world with 1957 Europe? Putin would certainly try to take it,Bush would oppose - but,probably do not care about Baltic states or Poland.

 

[Agent23]

They were insane and almost start WW3 over Cuba.Here,when their property is free again ? they would attack - and get beaten.

Not really, they were putting missiles in Cuba because they wanted to counter the US missiles in Turkey.

But ,they would use A and H bombs then,so Europe would burn.

They lost some of those, and even if the commie politburo was as dumb and insane as you describe, they would not risk getting retaliated against with more nukes while China and the USA stay unscathed.

Only winners would be :
1.USA - they rule the world with what is left of 2007 technology
2.Catholic Church - even if Rome get burned,we would have normal pope,and could purge homo mafia
3.China - they get Siberia

Yeah, and the soviets, while dumb and ruled by a retarded pseudo-religion are not suicidal.

But,what with 2007 world with 1957 Europe? Putin would certainly try to take it,Bush would oppose - but,probably do not care about Baltic states or Poland.

TBH I have no idea, I never give much of a though to the reverse part of the ISOT.

Maybe we can replace the ISOTed land not with the 1957 equivalent but with it from before human habitation was a thing, like I did in my MAGA to the past thread.

 

[ATP]

Not really, they were putting missiles in Cuba because they wanted to counter the US missiles in Turkey.



They lost some of those, and even if the commie politburo was as dumb and insane as you describe, they would not risk getting retaliated against with more nukes while China and the USA stay unscathed.

Yeah, and the soviets, while dumb and ruled by a retarded pseudo-religion are not suicidal.

TBH I have no idea, I never give much of a though to the reverse part of the ISOT.

Maybe we can replace the ISOTed land not with the 1957 equivalent but with it from before human habitation was a thing, like I did in my MAGA to the past thread.

1.No,becouse they do not have missiles capable of reaching USA yet
2.Rather frightened of loosing power.
3.Belivers are suicidal,when they think that their religion could lot.And Kruszczow was still beliver.
4.Then where 1957 Europe would go? to 100.000BC ? that would be funny to watch what happen - in Eastern Europe people would wait for freedom,soviet would not have support from Moscov,and NATO not have support from USA.
I think,that we eventually had war there,with some nukes flyung.

That is why i think,that @Buba had good idea,and it would be better to exchange Europe from 1947 - becouse Sralin would not have nukes yet.

 

[Agent23]

1.No,becouse they do not have missiles capable of reaching USA yet
2.Rather frightened of loosing power.
3.Belivers are suicidal,when they think that their religion could lot.And Kruszczow was still beliver.
4.Then where 1957 Europe would go? to 100.000BC ? that would be funny to watch what happen - in Eastern Europe people would wait for freedom,soviet would not have support from Moscov,and NATO not have support from USA.
I think,that we eventually had war there,with some nukes flyung.

That is why i think,that @Buba had good idea,and it would be better to exchange Europe from 1947 - becouse Sralin would not have nukes yet.

Ok, this is officially a dual timeline now, but prefix your answers with 1947 if you are discussing that AH.

In any case I think that there might be more dangers back in 1947 exactly because Stalin is still alive.

The guy is enough of a ruthless maniac to decide and ein with conventional forces, and at this point after his stroke he was really going loony
And there is less of a Sino-Soviet split by that point.

 

[ATP]

Ok, this is officially a dual timeline now, but prefix your answers with 1947 if you are discussing that AH.

In any case I think that there might be more dangers back in 1947 exactly because Stalin is still alive.

The guy is enough of a ruthless maniac to decide and ein with conventional forces, and at this point after his stroke he was really going loony
And there is less of a Sino-Soviet split by that point.

They would attack,and get slaughtered - the same would happen in 1957,but then soviets would used nukes after loosing normal war.Here,they would have notching to use.P.S More funny would be 2023 to 1943 -
In this scenario,Poland would be only force stopping soviet armies.That,and french nukes.

 

[Buba]

where 1957 Europe would go? to 100.000BC ?

This is CRUEL!
At that time the head of the glacier was 50-100km north from Warsaw ... Scandinavia (inc. DEnmark), Baltics all gone. Slovenia and Austria, if not under the Alpine glacier, were tundra.

Inside a few days everybody outside the southernmost countries is DEAD.

Here is your Vlad Tepes Award, wear it proudly!

But 10,000BC I can live with - same climate as today, more or less. Sea level still a bit lower, IIRC, complicating maritime traffic.

 

[ATP]

This is CRUEL!
At that time the head of the glacier was 50-100km north from Warsaw ... Scandinavia (inc. DEnmark), Baltics all gone. Slovenia and Austria, if not under the Alpine glacier, were tundra.

Inside a few days everybody outside the southernmost countries is DEAD.

Here is your Vlad Tepes Award, wear it proudly!

But 10,000BC I can live with - same climate as today, more or less. Sea level still a bit lower, IIRC, complicating maritime traffic.

BWAHAHAHA !KILL ANYBODY AND GET ME MY HAREM !
Jokes aside,sorry for not checking.What about 2Millions BC ? there should be no glaciers then,and entire Earth without homo sapiens to take.
When in 10.000 BC there would be arleady humans.