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Which is still a matter of considerable doubt despite your assumptions. Like the north they have the material capacity for a substantially larger forces that the US maintained prior to WWI, or even WWII - at least in terms of land power. With probable mutual hostility between the two nations...

But they still lost since they were so heavily outmatched. As stated the issue is less the southern will to resist as is the northern will to fight until victory. I think that ~1860 there was probably still a fair amount of cottage industry in the UK, although it was a declining factor...

OK there was a bit of drift there. Been a while since the 1st post so coming back to it I had forgotten we weren't talking about the original conflict. :oops: However its still a basic issue that to achieve anything you need both means and will. Did that reference say income gains exceeded...

Northern willpower is important because the only way the south can win, other than outside intervention is if its able to sap the will of the north to continue the war. Otherwise the demographic and industrial edge of the north will wear them down as OTL. Willpower is important because...

Not goal posting at all. Willpower is as important, if not more so, than material capacity as the former is more often a limitation than the latter. If there are tariffs on industrial imports then the burden will fall on all the population but the poorer elements of it with less reserves are...

Buba 1) Ouch that was even weaker. 2) As you say there are different measures of industrialisation so difficult to tell what measure is the more accurate, which would probably depend on what question we ask. Its definitely got some capacity and potential for further development...

That its smaller does reduce the military demand, which is a lot larger with an unfriendly and more populous state on its northern border. Even without any foreign adventures. That you predict it could have raised a lot more from taxes than OTL is one thing but what if the north responds in...

Bubba Interesting as that is a lot larger than most figures I've seen. Thought it was ~20-30k and a quick check on Wiki - I know its often unreliable but its a quick check - American Civil War - Wikipedia on the moblisation states that "As the first seven states began organizing a...

Your talking about an army about 4 times the size of the pre-war union army and also a substantial navy. Those cost, both to build and maintain. Let alone any necessary defensive positions or simply the infrastructure they need. That is your opinion but others have different opinions...

Possibly although History Learner has suggested they would gather all the cash they needed from a tax on exports of cotton and other means so I wonder if they would want extra government actions to increase the prices of their imports?

So your saying that the south after a victory in 1863 will manage to maintain a much larger army post war, let alone issues like infrastructure and coastal/naval forces at a fraction of what extrapolating upwards the pre-war US military would give you. The high tariffs, which kept...

The south still has a markedly smaller market and also very likely increased costs. Both to maintain slavery, which is likely to have social and economic costs as well and to maintain a much larger military, which would be necessary given the co-existence with a still markely larger and quite...

HL Agree with the 1st part that British recognition would be a huge boost for the south even if Lincoln backs down on earlier statements, but not so sure about your assumptions in the 2nd. In this case, with a 1863 recognition and say the war lasts a few months longer before peace is agreed...

Navarro Agree with most of what you say but I think the point with formal recognition by any other powers is that I believe Lincoln had threatened to treat that as a casus belli so unless he backed down on this that would greatly widen the conflict. Not to mention, especially if it was with...

Unless the south makes a deal to buy it from Spain probably quite a while. Their a lot weaker than the US as a whole and especially in naval matters. If someone with a stronger navy was to intervene and there are likely to be at least 3 possible candidates here then any expedition force is...

Not necessarily. Exhausting the will to fight of a larger neighbour doesn't mean the country won't end up drained by the battle. Also having 'won' the war for independence there is a sizeable chance that the next stage is internal conflict - talking politically, economically and socially here...