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That's a good image of your position then as your making a number of assumptions that don't fit me at all. I don't view society as perfectible, just that we have a moral responsibility to try and get things right. Also that there are different views of what is right but that assuming that you...

Cherico So your saying that your idea society has no human rights and protections other than for those who have the power to impose their will on everybody else and remove the same from them? Its always the problem with people of extreme views that they see anything other than what they want...