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Given that in a lot of the areas we're talking about there's nothing really to devastate in the 1st place my point is still very valid. The Canadian identity was definitely hardened by the war but some of it already existed. You referred to 35k US regulars at their peak, towards the end...

Actually you haven't. You say you have but your claiming a similar level of foraging in western Europe as in the NW territories of the US which were still largely forests with small Indian settlements west of Ohio and thinly settled with minimal communications to the east of that. The route up...

That all assumes that with changes in ~1810 those events still occur. There's a hell of a lot that could change by the end of the 1820's around the world.

Probably not annex all of it as that is likely to be more than they can manage. However could well annex more of the relatively thinly populated and loosely controlled northern provinces. Slavery would unfortunately last longer :mad: unless this US suffers a really bad defeat which would...

He also has a number of negative ones you keep ignoring. Again your ignoring the facts. The French armies lived off the locals wherever they were based. Intitally largely indiscriminate foraging, which was a factor in their abilities to move fast as being unattached to baggage trains and...

Your assuming the same result in a totally different situation. However they did have some of the richest and most economically developed lands in Europe to loot as they advanced. Try doing that with a large army in the border territories of the Old NW area and parts of Canada and your army...

Some of that applies to the US in 1812 as well as there was significant opposition to the war and a lack of any really trained army. Also a reasonably stable government not faced by major invasion is going to be less likely to agree the large scale of militarization that a desperate...

That would depend on Napoleon being able to control his impulses to try and settle every disagreement by military conquests. Or how long he lives and how his successor develops. Plus German and Belgium/Dutch feeling about their lost territories. I would suspect that the smaller US would...

Not if initial US success means Wellington is persuaded to go west. ;) The likely thing would be either a status quo once the US realise their in an impossible position as Britain really didn't want the war. Alternatively if it lasts longer probably the UK/BNA [British North America]...

How likely is it that the US can conquer even Upper Canada, which they failed to do to the point that the British for a while held much of the Old NW region for quite a while. Moreau may be a good general but he has to work within the limitations of the US system with a fracture government and...