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  1. sillygoose

    British and Americans armies of 1943 vs Soviet army of 1943

    Not by 1943. Until 1941 they couldn't even hit cities, in 1942 their electronic guidance systems let them hit city centers, and by 1943 with electronic upgrades they could hit individual factories if they wanted.
  2. sillygoose

    British and Americans armies of 1943 vs Soviet army of 1943

    Moscow city itself (not the entire oblast) accounted for something like 10% of the entire USSR's industrial output, with a much higher portion of high tech items produced there that weren't produced in any other part of the country. Smashing that (assuming they could in the face of Soviet AAA)...
  3. sillygoose

    British and Americans armies of 1943 vs Soviet army of 1943

    Given the RAF is a major factor here it will be firebombing Leningrad and Moscow quite a bit. Though they'll find out that both of those cities were protected like Berlin... Something to consider is the Soviets are much more vulnerable to bombing of factories, as unlike the Germans they...
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    British and Americans armies of 1943 vs Soviet army of 1943

    Until late 1944/early 1945. When the Wallies figured out the center of gravity in the German economy they smashed it and collapsed the transport system. That's the issue. The state of the rail system in the East in 1943 would mean it is not near enough. They'd have to make a major effort...
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    British and Americans armies of 1943 vs Soviet army of 1943

    Maybe. Remember they are taking over Luftwaffe bases, so they probably don't have nearly enough set up to support all the aircraft that are coming along. Initially. Over time though they could get there given Wallied resources to build up bases especially now that England is out of the...
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    British and Americans armies of 1943 vs Soviet army of 1943

    And then the Wallied air forces. They get these obviously: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_Air_Command The USAAF 8th Air Force (let's say roughly 560 bombers on hand (average for whole 1943): https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=207005 RAF Bomber Command RAF Fighter...
  7. sillygoose

    British and Americans armies of 1943 vs Soviet army of 1943

    Ok how about a more specific scenario? Rather than going over specific details to figure out what was where when the situation is this: The US gets 50 divisions, of which 8 are armored (1943 structure) and 2 are airborne as well as the 3 Ranger battalions, while the British get 30 divisions...
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    British and Americans armies of 1943 vs Soviet army of 1943

    Oh there was: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Prokhorovka Speaking of tank charges against enemy AT assets... At one point the charging Soviet tanks literally drove into their own anti-tank ditch! Apparently though things did get up close and personal and it was actually the Germans who...
  9. sillygoose

    British and Americans armies of 1943 vs Soviet army of 1943

    Ok, I get you. Though I don't necessarily think 10 divisions per army is necessarily an issue. During the Battle of the Bulge the US First Army had 15 divisions under its command (not counting a heap of additional battalions and other small units) during the height of the offensive and...
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    British and Americans armies of 1943 vs Soviet army of 1943

    I would assume the overall command arrangements worked out to coordinate the war effort in Europe exist. Otherwise it would be like any other army group, the forces in Britain have their own command structure, same with the MTO armies. I'm not so certain. The forces in Britain to some degree...
  11. sillygoose

    British and Americans armies of 1943 vs Soviet army of 1943

    Yup. And how he'll have all the Vodka he could handle.
  12. sillygoose

    British and Americans armies of 1943 vs Soviet army of 1943

    Yes As a single unit no, but remember all the constituent parts were fighting alongside the Allies already in North Africa. https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_Korpus_Polski_(PSZ) Looks like most were evacuated from the USSR in 1942...
  13. sillygoose

    British and Americans armies of 1943 vs Soviet army of 1943

    Correct. With the exception of occupation divisions in the Middle East and south of Libya/Egypt.
  14. sillygoose

    British and Americans armies of 1943 vs Soviet army of 1943

    Nope, got to use their own resources. Free French though are included, same with Poles. Deserters from the Soviets are also fair game. Same with recruiting anyone east of the Vistula who wants to fight. For the sake of argument I'm going to count the various Baltic, Russian, and Ukrainian...
  15. sillygoose

    British and Americans armies of 1943 vs Soviet army of 1943

    True...provided the Wallies could supply their air forces in the east via rail lines. Good point. Though at that point the Soviets had much better morale and the relatively inexperienced and smaller Wallied forces would seem like easy meat, so it wouldn't necessarily be a good idea to go...
  16. sillygoose

    British and Americans armies of 1943 vs Soviet army of 1943

    Actually from this book...
  17. sillygoose

    British and Americans armies of 1943 vs Soviet army of 1943

    As a crisis it largely was by 3Q, but some shortages remained until 1944. Remember in terms of food Russian factory workers were still dying at work due to starvation as late as 1944. I'll have to do some research on that one. AFAIK they tried to source that in Ukraine.
  18. sillygoose

    British and Americans armies of 1943 vs Soviet army of 1943

    True, but Soviet army and corps (and army group) assets were limited as of 1943 and really only grew to major proportions over the course of the year and definitely in 1944. I didn't count the ones in the US either, just averaged out the ones available over the course of 1943 in Europe. As to...
  19. sillygoose

    British and Americans armies of 1943 vs Soviet army of 1943

    Which doesn't tell the full picture given how much of the British and US armies were actually non-divisional corps and army level assets like artillery, AAA, cavalry, engineers, etc. https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/2017/06/26/us-involvement-in-wwii-how-the-military-grew/...
  20. sillygoose

    British and Americans armies of 1943 vs Soviet army of 1943

    I see you're an optimist ;) There is also the factor of Wallied air forces as well...but I did mention the logistics situation (rail bottleneck) being no better than the German one. As the Germans said: "you don't know war until you've faced the Russians"
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