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  1. sillygoose

    Operation Martin 1944

    It was not a serious offer. The Soviets were doing it to try and force a 2nd front ASAP by leaking to the Wallies what was going on.
  2. sillygoose

    Operation Martin 1944

    Given the success of German businesses in the ex-colonies in the 1950s and on a surviving Nazi Germany which had effectively (obviously not in the traditional sense, but stopped them and forced and end to the unconditional surrender policy) defeated the British empire, US, and USSR would be...
  3. sillygoose

    Operation Martin 1944

    38% wanted peace with the German army, not Hitler, but that was at the height of the battle and US casualties, though at that point it was clear that the Allies were going to win the battle. No worries. Yeah the POD here is a different Ardennes offensive and I was presuming a successful...
  4. sillygoose

    Operation Martin 1944

    You mean a poll taken after the Allies won the Battle of the Bulge and Nordwind? And took 10% of the casualties were talking about for this ATL, spread out over 5 weeks instead of 800% more in a matter of about 2? Notice too nearly 90% of the respondents thought there was no chance the US...
  5. sillygoose

    Operation Martin 1944

    You can't rush that. Nor could they just ignore public will or the Germans spreading US pows out among German cities to deter bombing.
  6. sillygoose

    Operation Martin 1944

    No way the war goes into 1946 given the financial situation in 1945 and the need to massively mobilize workers if the US loses two entire armies.
  7. sillygoose

    Operation Martin 1944

    FDR's cabinet was an infighting mess. FDR ran the government much the way Hitler did with competing power centers so he could be the one who decided what was going to be the ultimate decision. Really FDR was the core of this admin and it started to go off the rails a fair bit towards the end...
  8. sillygoose

    Operation Martin 1944

    Not sure that is entirely accurate. Morgenthau, Eleanor, and his daughter had much more of a role in the last 12 months of FDR's life than Marshall and the rest of the cabinet. If you want sources for that I have several books on the internal politics of the administration. The media also...
  9. sillygoose

    Operation Martin 1944

    I was thinking more in terms of the Soviets. For the US and UK though I'd imagine the defeat would see more than a few heads roll. Churchill will probably be disgraced as would Monty and that would probably do a lot of damage internationally to the prestige of the US and UK. If Stalin's...
  10. sillygoose

    Operation Martin 1944

    Question is what the terms would be, would Hitler go for it, and what the fallout for everyone would be in the aftermath of said peace deal.
  11. sillygoose

    Operation Martin 1944

    Correct.
  12. sillygoose

    Operation Martin 1944

    Very interesting. I think you're right that much would depend on public action and what happens with Stalin. IIRC IOTL the American public was pretty pissed Stalin stayed still until January 12th.
  13. sillygoose

    Operation Martin 1944

    In terms of this specific instance the issue was of the goal itself and not knowing how dogged US defense would be once 12th SS forces were inserted into the battle. Yes, Hitler was a problem in terms of ordering specific tactics and what not, but Peiper was given a VERY specific mission and...
  14. sillygoose

    Operation Martin 1944

    Thanks for those links. I had seen the first one, but the 2nd one is new, which is really interesting. I'd just add that with the bomb only being deployable in August of 1945, that would be FAR too late to matter given the political consequences of such a defeat. Assuming that the Op. Martin...
  15. sillygoose

    Operation Martin 1944

    Without a doubt the injections did have an impact, but the wikipedia article is not really all that correct about the frequency of consumption. His medical history was covered in the book "Blitzed" about the use of Pervatin in Germany before and during the war and there is a chapter on Hitler's...
  16. sillygoose

    Operation Martin 1944

    We do have several accounts of Hitler's behavior at this time and he wasn't nearly that bad, in fact multiple people close to him described him as quite lucid until the last month of his life, though not necessarily making the best decisions. If anything it was the lasting damage done by the...
  17. sillygoose

    Operation Martin 1944

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Herbstnebel Situation map on December 16th 1944 at noon: https://www.loc.gov/item/2004629029 What if Hitler had accepted Model and Rundstedt's 'Small Solution' instead of his OTL Ardennes offensive? It would involve and offensive from the 15th army...
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