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How did you jump from a reasoned dispute over the nature of usury to calling me anti-Catholic? I have no animosity for your church as a whole. I think ill of some things the Catholic church has done in the past, and a few it does today, but I can say the same about any major Christian sect...

I do not find the 5th Lateran Council's ruling in this matter compelling. It seems to me an example of Catholicism yielding to the business interests of the time, much as most modern day Protestants yield to globalist media. Neither are infallible. There is no connection to usury here...

You truly do not believe that the practice of renting money changes its nature to make the acquisition of a horde of money more tempting? Surely you must have observed the fruits of such practices in the modern Western financial sectors!

The definition of usury I have been using was considered old in the 1828 Webster's Dictionary. Moneylenders were among the only people Christ ever used violence against. Many Christians since have warned against the practice, such as Thomas Aquinas, though I admit that it is not explicitly...

Yet, I did not "dismiss the upsides of allowing systems with usury". I even acknowledged openly that they exist. What I said was that because the benefits are purely material, when they are set against great spiritual costs, said great spiritual costs must quite naturally outweigh purely...

None of these things is usury, and none of them even suggest an apples-to-apples comparison to it. I have already said, in direct response to you, the cost of permitting usury in a society is spiritual. How about this: in a reply to a post specifically about usury, instead of changing the...

I understand full well how useful lending is. You will note that I did not condemn lending in and of itself, but usury: the practice of collecting rent on money. But even a glacial pace is better than the spiritual costs of usury. The fallen nature of mankind is indeed the core problem. I...

I am willing to go a step further, and say that while usury and insurance/gambling do not inherently require a love of money, they cultivate a love of money. They are a form of temptation, both for the buyer and seller. The charging of rent for the use of money adds to the utility of money in...

I'm willing to believe it's impossible for you... who have yet to acknowledge that you were straw-manning half the thread.

Everyone giving freely to those in need, secure in the knowledge that they will receive in need? Sounds like the Kingdom of Heaven.

"Love of money is the root of many evils": what most of us have said. 'money is a convenience for commerce, not a necessity': what I have said. 'people who deal in money without laboring are parasitic': what I have said. "the very concept of money is the problem": something @GoldRanger has...