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  1. The Original Sixth

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    The shuttlepod is also two centuries out of date. The shuttlepod was hit with direct and indirect fire from the flake. Try again.
  2. The Original Sixth

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    The shuttlepod never went down. :ROFLMAO: The shuttlepod was damaged after several direct hits by anti-aircraft shells. It then returned to Enterprise and was able to safely dock. They then pulled the 50 cal that had embedded themselves in the hull of the ship. Maybe at least watch the episode...
  3. The Original Sixth

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    Actually, we can see that when they're using the stun setting, there is a vast drop in combat range. The widebeam stun only extends out to a few meters and stops. While a high level setting probably has a longer range it's going to have significantly shorter ranges than what we see with the...
  4. The Original Sixth

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    Do you know what a portrayal is? The show is portraying what happens, it is not the actual events themselves--although we can assume a strong level of accuracy. Captain Picard for example, is portrayed by Patrick Stewart. The actual Picard does not look like Patrick Stewart exactly, but rather...
  5. The Original Sixth

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    Actually, can we have some proof for MANPADs? And I don't recall them having ATGMs, but those rocket launchers seem at least somewhat effective against Scorpion tanks. And what sort of drones are we talking about?
  6. The Original Sixth

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    Funny you should mention that. Moore came right out and said that the weapons aren't portrayed in a realistic way, for much of the reasons you mentioned. The weapons are too powerful.They slid it under the carpet for the sake of drama and storytelling. That doesn't mean that phasers are weak...
  7. The Original Sixth

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    Well yeah, it's a production. People are not the laws of physics. They cannot always objectively apply things as they otherwise should. That's why things like the TM guides are incredibly useful in addressing these issues. They provide a strong degree of consistency. I'm not arguing we ignore...
  8. The Original Sixth

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    I didn't say it was immune to all radar. We don't know what sort of radar scrutiny that Voyager had in orbit. Certainly it was some and being able to reduce the ship's radar-cross section to the point of being undetectable is impressive, but it doesn't indicate that it's immune to everything...
  9. The Original Sixth

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    Good, then we're moving on from your absurd idea that Starfleet can't use transporters? Finally. Well, that's important. From what I've seen, I don't think their mobile assets are really integrated with their air defense network systems. Their base defenses certainly are, but that begs the...
  10. The Original Sixth

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    A fair point, but the flake did not render the shuttle inoperable. Also, we can draw other information from Business as Usual: QUARK: The Breen CRM one-fourteen works equally well against moving vessels or surface emplacements. It's guaranteed to cut through reactive armour in the six to...
  11. The Original Sixth

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    Yes, but the UNSC also uses modern NATO rounds too. Neither is there anything wrong with this. The UNSC needs to move these ground assets through space. A smaller gun allows for a lighter tank, smaller rounds, and therefore more of each. Unless you have proof that they're somehow using far...
  12. The Original Sixth

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    Hey, let's see some evidence of the UNSC carrying mobile transporter jammers. Or any jammers. Or is the USNC just going to hide under a transformer the whole war? Well, until they use those lifeboats as tanks, that isn't going to do them much good. We know that UNSC tanks can be damaged by...
  13. The Original Sixth

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    To be fair, we haven't really challenged him on much. So let's change that. The Scorpion tank has a 90mm cannon. Assuming a roughly 12 kilo shell and a speed of 810 m/s, we're looking at 3.936 MJ or 4 MJ to round it out. Since they use shells, they clearly aren't rail cannons. And while we know...
  14. The Original Sixth

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    We aren't talking about a jamming field Battlegrinder. We're talking about Starfleet transporter operations. Are you seriously suggesting that despite the fact that Starfleet has displayed the ability to choose tactical positions to beam in and despite them willing to send in raiding parties to...
  15. The Original Sixth

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    And exactly what setting is it on? Just eyeballing it, this looks as about 15cm thick. That roughly translates to setting 6. More interestingly, I noticed something about those older Phaser IIs... There's only eight settings on that phaser readout. Ten at best. It in fact, matches the...
  16. The Original Sixth

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    That Starfleet has the two brain cells to rub together to beam troops in to support ground forces? Interesting, what sort of anti-air missiles? Ah, so here we go that display screens aren't good enough. I'm actually not even referring to The Wounded. Point of fact, I'm actually referring to...
  17. The Original Sixth

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    This can all be really frustrating. It's not even an issue of Starfleet not living up to its full creative potential. I've literally had to post evidence that Starfleet can and does deploy people with high tech such as backpacks and pockets. Or belts. The largest points of contention here are...
  18. The Original Sixth

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    Hey, thanks for the quick response! Anyway, I have to say your argument is rather brittle. We see Starfleet use transporters to support other groups all the time. What we don't see, is the general specific case that you're suggesting; assisting in an ongoing battle. However, this is a rather...
  19. The Original Sixth

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    Your argument seems to boil down to Starfleet being too stupid to use transporters to support troops that are losing a fight. I don't understand why you seem to think that if they're smart enough to withdraw or send in people into a potential combat situation, why they won't beam in more troops...
  20. The Original Sixth

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    But we cannot known what is indisputable truth. This is a fictional series with multiple writers and various shifts in what is considered canon and what is not. To make matters worse, the corporations behind this franchise have intentionally obfuscated it in the past for profit margins. It's...
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