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Are you speaking from experience as a parent with children in the public school system, that it's "such an easy thing to counter"?

And that's why the establishment is so bent on indoctrinating children in the school systems. Why make your own children when you can take your enemy's children from them?

Yes, I understand you're an atheist, and I did specifically suggest you should "genuinely" change that. I would never say you should pretend to believe something you don't, pretend to be something you're not, in order to attract the kind of partner you like. That would be reprehensible in a...

Hmm. No, I would say it presupposes that "acquiring the information to make such changes" is a worthwhile endeavor in its own right, and worth putting time into. Also, if you figure out what church or other religious group you want to be a part of and aligns with your values, the point is...

Yes, basically. My first post in the thread here indicated it's fine to choose a life of chaste single-ness. It's men who want to sleep around with women but avoid commitment, and especially those who use the problems they have with society as an excuse to just sleep around and avoid...

So you find women who will be loyal and committed in spite of the "incentives" not to be. They exist. This is a victim mentality, acting like the problem is with the system and everyone else and how that needs to be fixed before you can act properly and honorably.

And here's the problem with the MGTOW mindset I've been talking about, acting like "modern women" are all the same. There are women who value commitment more than momentary satisfaction and gratification. But again, you need to work on yourself and value the things those women value, put...

I mean behavior like men wanting absolutely no commitment to women, but still sleeping around with them.

"Not caring" isn't the issue. The issue is becoming an active participant in the same evil the culture around you is committing. You don't have the moral right to do that.

Moral standards exist so that we can know when we do wrong, when we do evil. That doesn't change based on whether or not things are "working". If a society is going against moral standards, it's an evil society.

I'm saying the mindset of "I feel like society and the whole other gender mistreats me and screws me over, so I'm going to mistreat and screw over society in return as much as I can get away with in return" is sociopathic, and connecting that mindset to the Golden Rule is a sociopathic...

Moral standards aren't about what "works".

It's simply wrong to behave in such a way, there is no justification. Feeling like society is unfair and cruel to you is no excuse for you to be unfair and cruel to others. And connecting that to the "Golden Rule" is sociopathic moral perversion.

Group 2 is reprehensible.

People still do it, though. No one has ever said raising a family is easy or cheap.

MGTOW is an interesting one. It's built on a lot of...bitterness. Bitter men who would like to be in a loving, supportive relationship with a woman but for whatever reason (except themselves) they see it as not worth it or downright impossible. So they give up, and they have to broadcast their...