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I guess one counterpoint to adding the extra armor would be that, according to one HSTV-L engineer, most tanks were knocked out from the side during WW2. But then again, how many Panthers were NOT knocked out from the front because of the extra 20mm?

https://panzerworld.com/relative-armor-calculator?armor_thickness=60&angle_1=55&angle_2=0&angle_type=cosine&calculation_type=normal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/85_mm_air_defense_gun_M1939_(52-K) 60mm at 55 degrees from vertical gives you 105mm of effective armor. 80mm at the same angle gives...

That extra 20mm of armor is the difference between a T-34 knocking you out at 1km vs it having to try to close the distance in vain to 100 meters. How much lighter and more reliable would the Panther have been without the extra armor? I have no idea, but frankly that protection difference sounds...

I definitely agree that having significant numbers of the F2/G in 1941 would have made a huge difference. But by the time the T-34/85 rolls out, the Pz IV is inferior again. The Germans really did need a (if not the) Panther. Hitler's demands to uparmor the Panther greatly enhanced its...

By then it would have been too late though. I get the feeling that the German designers sometimes lacked imagination when compared to the Soviets.

I'm surprised how no one is suggesting that Germany start developing heavier chassis. It would have allowed the Germans to come up with a true counterpart to the T-34 much earlier.