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    What if Canada joined the American Revolution?

    A lot depends on the domestic political situation. 1) If the slave states have been assured their institution is safe as of 1789 (in the Constitution), but slavery has been limited to the existing slave state, gaining more slave states will be an issue. Keeping substantial gains as...
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    What if Canada joined the American Revolution?

    One thing to consider is that "screw the navy, we don't need that kind of militarism, we'll just have a coast guard" was very much a Jeffersonian policy. Somewhat ironic, since Jefferson was also the guy who wanted to remain in opposition to Britain (the world's foremost naval power), but his...
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    What if Canada joined the American Revolution?

    France was in dire financial trouble. If the French Revolution is averted, then the next war will certainly involve (monarchist) France and Spain allied against some coalition involving Britain. The USA being allied to Britain, this will be an opportunity to grab anything French or Spanish they...
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    What if Canada joined the American Revolution?

    Quebec is going to be a US vassal forever, basically. As long as there's trade, they're not going to be poor because of it. (nd if they're smart, they can clevery use their 'little brother' position in the modern era, by having low corporate taxes and/or Swiss-like banking laws. They can be to...
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    What if Canada joined the American Revolution?

    Aha, so that's connecting to the Minnesota, not the Missouri. If that's viable capacity-wise, that does seem like a pretty interesting option. We should keepin mind the area wasn't even surveyed until the decades after the Civil War in OTL. If the USA is oriented in a more North-Western...
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    What if Canada joined the American Revolution?

    That's interesting. What route makes sense, there? I assume the idea is Assiniboine-Souris, and then a canal from the Souris to Lake Sakakawea? An alternative might be following the Red River and then the Bois de Sioux to Lake Traverse, and then a canal to Big Stone Lake. From there, you have...
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    What if Canada joined the American Revolution?

    I agree that it's very inaccessible. Getting there via the Bay was difficult; and although getting there via the interial surelely did suck balls... it was still the preferred method. The Great Lakes and various rivers were the best routes of approach. Those our now no longer in British hands...
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    What if Canada joined the American Revolution?

    It is a border following the Ottawa River and then cutting to Lake Nipissing. See this map: In this scenario, the border would run from (as things are marked on the map) Cornwall on the St. Lawerence, to the river bend just South-West of Ottawa, then along the Ottawa River, then straight West...
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    What if Canada joined the American Revolution?

    I must argue the contrary: the Americans were decidedly unlucky, because events just so happened to transpire that they missed an opportunity to get the Nipissing line as the border. Franklin was pushing for that border in July '82. Britain was willing to concede. Lord Shelburne had come around...
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    What if Canada joined the American Revolution?

    It's a viable country, for sure. Even though the most populated regions of OTL Ontario (meaning Southern Ontario + a strip along the Great Lakes coast including all things below the Lake Nipissing - Lake Nipigon line) would certainly go to the USA in this scenario. In fact, if Britain...
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    What if Canada joined the American Revolution?

    As long as they're not suffering some trade embargo, this simply doesn't matter. If they had to make it in an otherwise empty world, they might be in trouble (but even then, humans adapt rapidly). But in a firm alliance with the USA, presumably following the USA into good trade relations with...
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    What if Canada joined the American Revolution?

    The Québécois -- or at least some segment of the population -- would presumably have a desire to be "truly" French again. But there would also be a republican/independence movement, no doubt. The USA would not want these Francophone Catholics, to be sure, but would prefer them to form an...
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    What if Canada joined the American Revolution?

    It's a reasonable point to keep in mind, of course. The key thing would be to get financial interdepedency well and set up. Most specifically: have the USA open up a line of credit in London. That's part of why Hamilton wanted the USA to have a public debt (and part of why Jefferson hated the...
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    What if Canada joined the American Revolution?

    It's way easier to pawn the land off to the USA and get your fishing rights (as well as other exploitation rights) secured by treaty. Then it's their land and their headache, but you have economic access.
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    What if Canada joined the American Revolution?

    I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that the whole premise is pretty tricky to actually get going. In most cases, you'd have to create ATL revolutionary movements in those regions out of thin air. Ironically, even though they were at odds with the colonies, the Quebecois were most inclined to go...
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