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  1. Shipmaster Sane

    Boomstick's and shooty shooty bang bang's - The GUN Thread!

    Well thats just the thing, as a technical experiment/vanity project they really should have had the decency to give us all the useless data everyone wants. At the very least Ian could have sprung for some extra rounds and fired at something interesting when he had access to one. What a...
  2. Shipmaster Sane

    Boomstick's and shooty shooty bang bang's - The GUN Thread!

    It's very very difficult to try to predict the terminal Ballistics of something, so the .950 is another cartridge that all of us in the non-eccentric millionaire community can only wonder about. It's a 24mm projectile in what I believe is a 20x110 Hispano case, and the projectiles I've seen are...
  3. Shipmaster Sane

    Boomstick's and shooty shooty bang bang's - The GUN Thread!

    Depressingly little ballistics testing exists for traditional Elephant Gun cartridges.
  4. Shipmaster Sane

    Boomstick's and shooty shooty bang bang's - The GUN Thread!

    Short rifles maneuver comparably well to pistols, and have many advantages. I've also never heard of a single case of a HD failure due to weapon length, you can absolutely defend yourself indoors with a full scale rifle. Ultimately pistols are never "best", theres nothing they do best...
  5. Shipmaster Sane

    Boomstick's and shooty shooty bang bang's - The GUN Thread!

    Fort Scott Munitions TUI Ammo Check out the test later in the video, punches a clean hole through a level IIIA kevlar vest on TOP of a level IIA Kevlar vest, and thats with a relatively short barrel, meaning we're not seeing the maximum potential of the round. My theory is that...
  6. Shipmaster Sane

    Boomstick's and shooty shooty bang bang's - The GUN Thread!

    Oh, there are certainly handgun rounds that will punch through many types of IIIA, though IIIA is a frustratingly broad class of armor. I needed a refresher course in the exact statistics, so I did a little research over the last few days. The biggest factor in Kevlar penetration is bullet...
  7. Shipmaster Sane

    Boomstick's and shooty shooty bang bang's - The GUN Thread!

    What is the cheapest pistol that has a commercially available loading that will reliably punch through IIIA? Something in .357 sig?
  8. Shipmaster Sane

    Boomstick's and shooty shooty bang bang's - The GUN Thread!

    More 5.7 pistols is a good thing, they're currently either too damn expensive or have questionable reliability. 5.7 copper solids will punch straight through IIIA soft armor.
  9. Shipmaster Sane

    Boomstick's and shooty shooty bang bang's - The GUN Thread!

    Huuh-huuuuuuuh???? Whaaaaaat the fuck? Jesus christ, is that thing only to screw with the law or is it practical? Is there any ballistics data for that psychotic morph of a 410 and a salvo cartridge? Any info on velocity? Thats a fair bit fatter than most armor piercing rounds.
  10. Shipmaster Sane

    Boomstick's and shooty shooty bang bang's - The GUN Thread!

    I can't find it offhand, but there used to be this great video of someone dropping a boar with 17HMR. No long bleed out or multiple shots needed either, lights were out in seconds. If I recall, a record setting boar (either current or past) was taken a few years back with something considered...
  11. Shipmaster Sane

    Boomstick's and shooty shooty bang bang's - The GUN Thread!

    It's fine if you feel that way, but just know that the feeling isnt actually backed up by any data on defensive shooting. Seriously, after years of this, no one can ever pony up any statistics. It's not like statistics on defensive shooting haven't been done, by the way, it's just that no one...
  12. Shipmaster Sane

    Boomstick's and shooty shooty bang bang's - The GUN Thread!

    Well let me refresh myself on some stats... A quick google search lists .22 hornet as between 35-55 grains, velocity in the ballpark of 3k fps, energy around 1KJ. For comparison... 17HMR is on the lower end of its speed at best (2.6k) and a third the energy, at less than half the weight. 22...
  13. Shipmaster Sane

    Boomstick's and shooty shooty bang bang's - The GUN Thread!

    While technically interesting, what exactly is it for?
  14. Shipmaster Sane

    Boomstick's and shooty shooty bang bang's - The GUN Thread!

    1. Pure supposition based on feelings. If large numbers of people use no.8 for self defense and we don't see any statistical basis for this being insufficient, we don't just "assume" it's useless because "something something my buddy got shot with birdshot from across a field I don't know what #...
  15. Shipmaster Sane

    Boomstick's and shooty shooty bang bang's - The GUN Thread!

    *cough cough* 1. Any _>1oz birdshot load #8 or larger is sufficient for home defense, and there is no actual statistical data to dispute this. 2. Statistical data suggests that even what would be considered An extreme difference in pistol caliber (22lr, 25acp, vs 44mag) produces only...
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