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    Will the Advent of Drone Warfare bring back the Gun Air Defense

    A big issue with potential waste in low intensity conflicts... With peer opponents involved, i see Ukrainians for example have a far more cavalier attitude, living with the tiny random chance that artillery may accidentally some drone. Wonder how much of a solution to this stuff was for Ukraine...
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    Will the Advent of Drone Warfare bring back the Gun Air Defense

    So that's petty politics and organization, Gray Eagles aren't that far off from what i'm thinking about. Also like Gray Eagles, heli drones and all the other aircraft Army has it would likewise have to all use IFF systems too. Blackhawk and its future replacements are multirole, some variants...
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    Will the Advent of Drone Warfare bring back the Gun Air Defense

    Longbow, Spike-ER, Spike-NLOS and other over the horizon ways of hitting for attack helicopter are all fine and dandy to get its engagement range above SHORAD... but when you have to suffer the price and complexity of full on over the horizon weapons, why have them on an expensive, specialized...
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    Will the Advent of Drone Warfare bring back the Gun Air Defense

    What countermeasures that helicopters can have can't be put on high end combat drones? CAS in the strict sense you can do in permissive environments, but in something like Ukraine, you get attack helicopters relegated to the role of flying artillery using only long range weapons if they want to...
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    Will the Advent of Drone Warfare bring back the Gun Air Defense

    Bigger ones are in the works. Non-radar SHORAD is getting only better and more common coz drones, sure, some desert rent-a-terrorists won't have much of that anytime soon, but near peer opponents... Drones can have insane loiter times and be organic to army. Even heli drones exist if nothing else.
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    Will the Advent of Drone Warfare bring back the Gun Air Defense

    While i have no doubt that attack helicopters can still dishing out, it's how much they can take that's an issue. They work great in permissive environment, but outside of that, they have to cease using many of the capabilities they have and work so cautiously that you may as well use a drone or...
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    Will the Advent of Drone Warfare bring back the Gun Air Defense

    Same problem as with old command guidance missiles. Possibly? Hard to answer definitely, it is a field for very quickly iterating and unpredictable arms race between ECM and ECCM. Ukraine kinda already has that happen. At scale, possibly. At least not as bankruptcy inducing as 100k a pop...
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    Will the Advent of Drone Warfare bring back the Gun Air Defense

    As i see it, drones are just a clever way to break through the pricing wall of conventional precision munitions, which is what they are. Digital age radio command guided munitions, sacrificing the raw dynamic performance and sensor capabilities of classic precision munitions for the benefit of...
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    Will the Advent of Drone Warfare bring back the Gun Air Defense

    Get yourself committed.
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    Will the Advent of Drone Warfare bring back the Gun Air Defense

    If you didn't post dumb whining posts solely to get the last word i would not be responding to them. Well, do *you* need the last word? Quoting myself, fuck off and don't pollute this thread with your need to get the last word, as you apparently you have better things to do.
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    Will the Advent of Drone Warfare bring back the Gun Air Defense

    I guess you have a lot of experience with that, and sadly no one could help you.
  12. M

    Will the Advent of Drone Warfare bring back the Gun Air Defense

    No wonder you do, guess you are very butthurt about being shown to be out of your depth.
  13. M

    Will the Advent of Drone Warfare bring back the Gun Air Defense

    I see you ran out of bullshit, need to spam buzzwords and shitty memes, goodbye and fuck off.
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    Will the Advent of Drone Warfare bring back the Gun Air Defense

    Yeah, we can, if only you didn't join this conversation that's over your head we wouldn't have to any mentions of reeeing, teenager grade meme spam, ego fragility accusations and other bullshit. You really are a plague upon any thread you show up in. So would i, and unlike me, you have proven...
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    Will the Advent of Drone Warfare bring back the Gun Air Defense

    Where did i say it can't be countered? Good luck jamming a F-35 from all its comms and datalinks, but this sort of stuff is not in the budget ($, weight or power) for a 1000$ commercial drone. https://news.usni.org/2023/01/03/navy-buys-2-loyal-wingman-xq-58a-valkyrie-drones-for-15-5m This is...
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    Will the Advent of Drone Warfare bring back the Gun Air Defense

    LMAO, cope harder with the fact that i caught you talking about shit you can't even do a basic sanity check on. Less buzzwords, more numbers please. Your "drone AWACS" probably has enough fancy electronics to be worth a medium range SAM rather than only avoiding SHORAD, and due to its nature it...
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    Will the Advent of Drone Warfare bring back the Gun Air Defense

    Thanks for explaining your whole argument here. Are you paying me for chemistry lectures and what the fuck does ammonia production have to do with drones? Better explain to everyone what kind of technical parameters does a thermal camera need to have to be capable of doing this at a tactically...
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    Will the Advent of Drone Warfare bring back the Gun Air Defense

    And you think the gun based SHORAD is, as opposed to those with lasers, cheap and plentiful? Do you have any idea how much something like Gepard or Pantsir costs and what logistical demands they have? If only you knew anything about such things... You are in no position to even stand next to...
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    Will the Advent of Drone Warfare bring back the Gun Air Defense

    Well that's where your delusions come in. You can have cheap drones and you can have expensive drones, both have their pros and cons. But if you try to shove the capabilities of an expensive drone into a cheap drone it will absolutely stop being cheap. All these fancy capabilities you keep...
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    Will the Advent of Drone Warfare bring back the Gun Air Defense

    Classic retarded vatnik whining. And they are giving the best ones for free to drone swarm fanboys i'm sure, and the drones will still cost 2000$ when you put enough sensors and comm systems to turn them into a "we have drone F-35 at home" smart weapon. How is it going to get any non-garbage...
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