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  1. LordsFire

    China A China-Free Supply Chain

    Looking back, I'm not sure why I quoted your post either. Maybe I misread it?
  2. LordsFire

    China A China-Free Supply Chain

    We don't have enough nukes to depopulate the Earth. Even at the height of the Cold War, both alliances going all-out was questionable in whether or not it could have resulted in such, though it certainly would have killed billions between direct and indirect effects. Ending us as a nation is a...
  3. LordsFire

    China A China-Free Supply Chain

    Why yes, if the Chinese openly use WMDs and have the entirety of the strategic initiative, they'd deal serious damage to our forward-deployed forces in the area. And, you know, provoke the US standard response policy for WMDs: Nuclear retaliation. If we have a president who lacks the guts...
  4. LordsFire

    China A China-Free Supply Chain

    I mean, conquering Taiwan has been the primary objective of the PLAN since what, it was formed? They certainly want to, and they certainly think they can pull it off if the US doesn't get involved. What do you think the odds are they'd actually try?
  5. LordsFire

    China A China-Free Supply Chain

    Meanwhile, in the real world, the overwhelming majority of these ships are coastal or short range vessels. Very good for defending China's coast, nearly or completely useless for actually projecting power. I've broken some of this down elsewhere; China's Navy can beat the crap out of anyone...
  6. LordsFire

    China A China-Free Supply Chain

    I don't know if this number is still accurate, but as of ~15 years ago, 80% of all Chinese who left China to live elsewhere became Christians. While 20% is still certainly enough to have informants and saboteurs, if 80% is politically uninterested or outright unreliable to the CCP, that's not...
  7. LordsFire

    China A China-Free Supply Chain

    Chinese Communist Party delenda est. China as a nation is not a problem. Like with just about anything else, adding communism makes it horrible.
  8. LordsFire

    China A China-Free Supply Chain

    If they can sustain their growth for long enough, yes, they will eventually become the dominant world power. As usual, the question is whether or not other nations will be too asleep on the watch to address the threat in a timely manner, and if the totalitarian system will implode before it's...
  9. LordsFire

    China A China-Free Supply Chain

    If you can't make your argument with the info you can share, learn to find other sources. Use publicly available data to paint a picture, and explain why you see it that way. You'll probably still run into some limits that frustrate you, but it'd be better than what you're doing now. Look at my...
  10. LordsFire

    China A China-Free Supply Chain

    You haven't done a very good job of arguing your position for how you think it would go. If you want to persuade people, work on your skills at debate and data presentation. Please, I'm honestly interested in why you think the way you do, but you really are not good at communicating such things.
  11. LordsFire

    China A China-Free Supply Chain

    1. Yes, there would be worldwide economic consequences, but China is very replaceable in supply chains. Economic impact does not equate to a world war, just as it did not in 2009, or the 70's, or the 1929. It can contribute, but it is not a causation in and of itself. 2. China is a net importer...
  12. LordsFire

    China A China-Free Supply Chain

    First off, I don't believe China is remotely a 'stabilizing' influence. It's too much of a dirty dealer and hostile to all its neighbors for that. Second off, you haven't actually answered the question of how this spirals out into a world-wide problem, rather than a regional one.
  13. LordsFire

    China A China-Free Supply Chain

    I'm not sure how you would expect a regional collapse to lead to WW3. I can certainly see how things get very, very ugly in China and with its immediate neighbors, but I don't see how that spirals out into a worldwide war.
  14. LordsFire

    China A China-Free Supply Chain

    See, the thing is, the only reason China's ability to get what it needs through trade is threatened, is because of their own damn actions. If they would just accept playing by the same rules as everybody else, and actually deal in good faith, they wouldn't have the problems that they do right...
  15. LordsFire

    China A China-Free Supply Chain

    What do we 'need' China on-board for? What do they provide that nobody else in the world does? I think you're wrong about everything you've said, hopefully understanding why you think we 'need' China will help me understand the route your thinking takes.
  16. LordsFire

    China A China-Free Supply Chain

    History tells us otherwise? History tells us that no one has detonated a nuke in anger since WWII, and that major powers understand that MAD is a bad line to cross. That's not to say that it's impossible for it to happen, but historical precedent is firmly weighted against it. History also...
  17. LordsFire

    China A China-Free Supply Chain

    The Chinese Communist Party has no one to blame for this, but themselves. They've screwed over literally everyone that they can, promised and failed to deliver, lied, cheated, and stolen as much as they could to rise as high as they could, and done it all with an elitist attitude. If they do not...
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