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  1. LordsFire

    Abortion: When is a fetus a human?

    Yes, personal volition is necessary for moral behavior to be a 'thing.' You've basically just admitted though, that you're trying to construct a logical position on an issue, in which your worldview denies one of the core elements actually exists. I'd say that's a pretty big problem with the...
  2. LordsFire

    Abortion: When is a fetus a human?

    Personhood is an entirely moral, philosophical, and theological concept. The idea that 'independent will' exists is based on certain philosophical and theological assumptions. By what means do you justify the concept of personal volition existing?
  3. LordsFire

    Abortion: When is a fetus a human?

    Where does this value come from? Why is the capacity to think what bestows personhood? How do you define 'thinking' in the first place?
  4. LordsFire

    Abortion: When is a fetus a human?

    I'd say there's only one root problem with your position; it completely fails to account for the... religious, spiritual, theological, whichever term is appropriate. The natural sciences don't actually infer any root value to human life. By purely materialistic perspective, human beings have no...
  5. LordsFire

    Abortion: When is a fetus a human?

    It's not that personhood starting at conception is failing the arguments you pose to it, it's that some of us got sick of you asking the same question again and again like we hadn't answered it.
  6. LordsFire

    Abortion: When is a fetus a human?

    It's the difference between 'personhood' and 'living tissue.' A headless body on life support is still a mass of human tissue, but it does not have personhood, and it will not gain personhood, because it has no chance of growing a new head. The same for a miscarried baby that did not develop a...
  7. LordsFire

    Abortion: When is a fetus a human?

    Yes, there are a couple points where life could be considered to begin, when we're getting to this level of high-detail specificity. They're inclusive though, not exclusive or anything else. What I mean by this, is that conception is always the start of a new life, and the split of a twin (full...
  8. LordsFire

    Abortion: When is a fetus a human?

    Just because there are additional conditions under which a human being's life can begin, does not mean conception no longer is such. Put another way, just because a person can be killed with a knife, does not mean a gun no longer counts as being capable of killing. And a sperm by itself is not...
  9. LordsFire

    Abortion: When is a fetus a human?

    So, Abhorsen, to try to make a 'comprehensive' 'life begins at conception argument in counter to some of your points: 1. If a zygote splits into identical twins, there was still clearly distinct human life before the split. That two distinct persons developed out of one cell still has that cell...
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