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Skallagrim, you are from the Netherlands. Dutch. How is Turkey a threat to you? Like I can understand a Greek, or a Bulgarian, or a Serb. Or people that were occupied by the Ottoman Empire. But like your neighbors are Germany, and Belgium. Like historically you had to watch out for Germany but...

Damn it don't you think I want this? I'd love to give Greece back it's territory. But do you honestly think the liberal west will do that? We'd need a massive revival of Christianity and the downfall of secularism to get the people on board with the idea of retaking Christian lands. Marduk is...

So a liberal "Muh democracy" argument? Why should we care what form of government a nation takes, monarchy, dictatorship, democracy, Republic, Theocracy. As long as they aren't unreasonable and don't seek to export it then it's fine. Ahh I see, you feel kinship with the Nordic people since they...

No I get that if a NATO power is attacked all of NATO will come to it's defense. I was saying let's pretend if both Poland and Sweden were not in NATO. Many of these people would be much more angry if Sweden was attacked than if Poland was attacked. And would be more likely to help out Sweden...

Hmm, this is a semi decent reason. But do you really need islands to control the baltic? Can't we put up SAM batteries, and sensors on the coast of Poland which will be in the baltic? I've been generally opposed to letting Sweden in for two reasons The first is that the Swedes are liberal, they...

In general I’m of the opinion fuck the Turks. But that’s for mostly historical reasons not because the nords. Curious what country are you from? Why do you see Sweden as a worthy ally to let in? NATO exists for the benefit of the nations within it right now not to help other nations by...

Yeah, you are obviously too retarded to do politics, or military strategy. Here is the thing to Turkey the Kurds are a problem because they are potential secessionists. A nation losing territory is one of the worst things ever, so a group that is trying to do that is a pretty big problem to a...

There is no mechanism for booting a nation out of NATO. Only neocons want that.

Yeah, they may or may not vote to allow Finland or Sweden in. If they REALLY want those F35's they'll vote no. If they were fishing for something else not quite as advanced but is just a bargaining strategy they could be convinced to vote yes.

I get confused since I've talked to a few people. Dislike of Turks, and Russians I can understand. But there is no reason to help nations like Sweden and Finland which are bastions of liberalism. No, it's not pro socialism. I'm just not a cuck for bankers like you seem to be acting like...

What possible logical reason do you have for this stance? Again don't act emotionally because of liberal beliefs. Finland and Sweden are not that useful. Sweden especially with their liberalism. Turkey is useful because of it's location and ability to control the route from the Mediterranean to...

Ok, you are consistent. But again this is the nature of world powers. Why does it matter whether another nation is a democracy? The only reason we have "interests" in Europe and Asia is because the rich capitalist class keeps dragging us over there. Also no we haven't tried isolationism and it...

Here is the question. Why should America pay it? Like the way I see it why should America care if Russia invades Ukraine, or China Taiwan? Nations get attacked by others all the time, does anyone care about Saudi Arabia attacking Yemen? The Israelis if they do something bad to Palestinians...