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Like all tactics, its a cost vs benefits question. If a rebel does, say, $10,000 of damage before their caught and arrested, is that a positive sum trade? Against someone like the US Fed, probably not: the Fed can replace $10,000s worth of equipment longer than rebels can probably find people...

Are you suggesting you can have a civil war without taking territory? That seems to be the argument your putting forward, for why nukes would be completely worthless. If your not taking territory however and setting up these alternate elites, then your right, your not having a civil war. But if...

Eh, I don't really see it. If you don't have pay and secure areas set up already, the number who will "walk away or make things worse" is approximately zero. If the energy infrastructure gets hit in DC, the electronic workers here will appreciate the overtime and work to get it fixed. Just...

Its been asserted, history I don't think proves it. The fragility of the infrastructure is something often fretted, rarely proven or manifested. And even big events like 2003 blackout of the 2019 Manhattan blackout, they're sort term and generally unimpactful. The general effect of a blackout...

Eh, I don't see it likely being this disasterous. This is the thinking that strategic bombing would cripple Germany quickly, rather than marginally degrade their production over the course of 4 years of air campaign. The outcome of a single attach is workers get a long weekend. Taking down the...

That is though one of the more likely scenarios however: civil wars require raising some sort of organized resistance. This is easier over a geographically small area. Continued operations likewise generally requires some sort of safe area. Say a terrorist blows up a transformer: does $1 million...

Eh, is that why we nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki? I think people put a little too much faith in modern people being the most moral people in history. Leadership and common people. The Yankees didn't rise up when we nuked Japanese children and burned alive German ones. I don't think its a...

Eh, by that point you've likely already killed a few million people, what's a half million dead to stop killing more? Letting them go is a potential option. Its just not a given either.

As much as I'm generally against Bacle on these things, he's got a bit of truth here. Obviously, for all the reasons listed, they don't want to start launching nukes. However, if say Texas successfully rebelled and seized territory, and they weren't confident in their ability to conventionally...

When you say "we" "fucked up", with Trump, who do you mean by we, and how exactly did that we fuck up?

Well, there's a lot that can be done, depending on the scale of resistance were talking about. The Taliban seem to have had a relatively effective counter drone strategy, in as much as they were able to minimize how much damage it did to them sufficiently to keep going. Just a guy watching the...

Of course they would. Both sides would advertise for them! Foreign volunteers/mercenaries are one of the things I think gives team blue an advantage. They're currently in a much better place to lean on foreign power sources than the Reds currently are. Even beyond direct volunteers, being in a...

That falls under the "either it ends immediately, or doesn't" issue. If the base commander stays loyal and maintains his command, and then when the order comes down to seize Austin, and does, then things end quickly. Or, this could be part of the waffling. Protestors "siege" the base, people...

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I mean, lets look at the last civil war: the time between Lincolns election and the battle of fort Sumpter was about 6 months. The first serious battle was July, 9 months later. Like, from the point the Texas government votes to leave, how long will a military response take? If they aren't...

Eh, that's a very narrow path to walk which I'm not sure is really possible. And, well, invading Canada is relatively trivial, and has a bunch of valuable resources. And if there's a period of lawlessness, well, see how well the Drug was stays contained to mexico.

Now that's just being silly. The US is not the source of all that is good in the world. It would suck for many people, I guess it might be the end of the modern world in terms of the US driven world order, but I'm not sure the point of being overly mellowdramatic about it.

I think I should also mention that my current bet in any civil war would be the Blues so to speak winning, mostly by successfully suppressing things so they don't ever come to a civil war, isolating pockets enough that they can reduce those pockets, and finally leaning on foreign resources to...

Sure, but then look at what actually happened in that blackout: power never went down in some places, with total capacity only falling to about 20%. It shut down about 2.5% of the electric grid. Cuts can certainly degrade things, certainly. It might divide the power up into smaller units. But...

Eh, there is a great deal of ruin in a nation. People I think overestimate how quickly things reasonably happen. Like, take the power issue. There's about 20,000 electric generators in the US with capacity over 1 MW. Here's a map. Now, the beauty of being so rich is that there's a lot of...