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  1. J

    Morals must be axiomatic: debate

    Hm. I guess I don't feel completely comfortable simply defining morality as legality, if that is what your suggesting. I guess its a pragmatic argument, but it really leaves no place to criticize anything, say, the Nazis or Communists did within the context of their own state: once either seizes...
  2. J

    Morals must be axiomatic: debate

    Well, violence is not exactly frowned upon. fines/jail time is the violence. That's our general preference for violence to be done by the state rather than private actors, rather than an aversion to violence. And that itself is hardly a hard and fast rule. Some private violence is tolerated...
  3. J

    Morals must be axiomatic: debate

    Well, to clear up a potential misunderstanding, I'm pretty close to being effectively an atheist. I also think of morals as being more or less a collection of "arbitrary" goals and lines. I'm just more or less comfortable with that, but understand the problems that can come from morality...
  4. J

    Morals must be axiomatic: debate

    By Axiomatic, I mean "true without proof". Whether or not the above is true I think is at the heart of the argument "can atheists have a grounded moral preference" that was diverting a conversation in another thread. Morality being axiomic means it's based on something you can't rationally...
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