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  1. History Learner

    Confederate victory at Gettysburg

    Okay, then articulate where your disagreements are because as it is, you are only making unfalsifiable arguments that do nothing to advance the conversation. If you feel the math I have used previously to show expected Confederate income sources is wrong, please show us and me what you disagree...
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    Confederate victory at Gettysburg

    Okay, which is again not the point at hand, and was previously stated. Again, you seem to have lost cite of what you are even arguing: Your original point of disagreement with me was whether, in peace time, the CSA could afford an effective military. Okay, then the onus is on you to prove...
  3. History Learner

    Confederate victory at Gettysburg

    See the Battle of Fort Fizzle in Ohio in 1863, the Detroit Race Riots of 1863, the Charleston Riot in March of 1864 in Illinois, the Fishing Creek Confederacy in Pennsylvania from July to November of 1864, and the occupation of New York City by the Federal Army in the Fall of 1864. You can also...
  4. History Learner

    Confederate victory at Gettysburg

    Which, in the context of the Confederacy maintaining a strong defense, is there any doubt they would lack the will? They did fight a war of independence to the extent they suffered almost Soviet level casualties. Cost of living is calculated based on inflation, so it's basically one in the...
  5. History Learner

    Confederate victory at Gettysburg

    Okay, again, this wasn't the original point; you can follow the quote chain to see this. What was originally said was this: Income gains exceeded cost of living, hence how the quality of live was continuously increasing as cited? If not, and you believe it was essential to the viability of...
  6. History Learner

    Confederate victory at Gettysburg

    It is a goalpost shift because we weren't talking about Northern willpower but rather the economic ability of the Confederacy to maintain a strong defense. As for the idea of willpower being more important than material capacity, I would think the Civil War even OTL would be an indicator that...
  7. History Learner

    Confederate victory at Gettysburg

    That the North could construct and maintain a more powerful military if the political will exists to do such is not in doubt, but you are goal post shifting on this because your original question was of the capacity of the South to maintain a strong defensive posture. Likewise specifically on...
  8. History Learner

    Confederate victory at Gettysburg

    That the White population became lazy as a result of Slavery is a myth that was invented by Abolitionists to justify their cause during the contemporary times; no economic research-including Starobin-support that conclusion in the modern age as there is no proof of it. Likewise, Starobin doesn't...
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    Confederate victory at Gettysburg

    Even with OTL growth rates, by 1900 the Confederacy would be well over 20 million. Given they have avoided the massive casualties of 1863-1865, it is likely population growth will be much, much higher; it is not often realized that the death rates among White Southern men during the war were...
  10. History Learner

    Confederate victory at Gettysburg

    And the Confederacy has almost 2x-3x the budget of the 1860 United States, with only a third of the territory and population to govern. Can you explain, with evidence, why you don't think they can do this? No, it's from Brettle and Majewski, published modern authors who are experts on the...
  11. History Learner

    Confederate victory at Gettysburg

    Not at a fraction of the cost, no, just that the Confederacy will have more than sufficient money to do all of that easily. And once they were independent, they had no issue with it as Brettle and Majewski point out; the tariff debate was more tied to the sectional issues that no longer exist...
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    Confederate victory at Gettysburg

    This isn't true at all, they adopted tariffs from the outset. Yes, the exact phrasing was that they could not be protecting in nature but this, according to Majewski, was window dressing: When the Confederate Congress endorsed Davis’s position on railroads, outraged supporters of states’ rights...
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    Confederate victory at Gettysburg

    The South has a smaller overall population size in the 1860s than the North, sure, but it is one that in GDP per capita terms is about the same and in overall wealth is too; by 1900 it will basically be France/Britain sized. Likewise, for costs, you need to define those; tariff and cotton export...
  14. History Learner

    Confederate victory at Gettysburg

    Most of the death and destruction in the Civil War was after Gettysburg, with Grant's Overland Campaign and Sherman's March to the Sea. Here, Richmond as well as Atlanta have avoided being burned, Georgia and the Carolinas haven't been ravaged and Wilson's Raid into Alabama has never happened...
  15. History Learner

    Confederate victory at Gettysburg

    A timeline idea I've played around with is an 1863/1864 victory for the CSA. They have over a decade to get the debt paid off and rebuild, while E.P. Alexander is able to get Richmond to buy up the British Armstrong guns when the UK begins to sell them off. Meanwhile in the United States, as a...
  16. History Learner

    Confederate victory at Gettysburg

    First, it needs to be noted recognition extends much more than just the condition of PoWs on its own; for one, it allows the Confederate Government to seek out and obtain international financial assistance in a way it never achieved historically. Beyond that, though, it was always understood on...
  17. History Learner

    Confederate victory at Gettysburg

    Hmm, that is odd. I logged out of my account and I can see still it, which is a series of screenshots from the book. Anyone else having this issue?
  18. History Learner

    Confederate victory at Gettysburg

    Not sure what you mean?
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    Confederate victory at Gettysburg

    Depends on whether or not Spain moves to end slavery in the late 1860s there as they did historically; such was a result of the Union victory, which allowed for greater international pressure to be brought down upon Spain, Brazil, etc. Richmond could find it more in their interesting to have...
  20. History Learner

    Confederate victory at Gettysburg

    I'd also recommend Colossal Ambitions: Confederate Planning for a Post–Civil War World by Adrian Brettle on the topic of Confederate state building as well as foreign policy goals in the long term. To cite from it some:
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