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And that is why you have failed.

You still don't see what has happened, and that is why you are in this position. It has nothing to do with offence or me not wanting to hear your words of truth. It has to do with your lies, fabricated positions in debate, unbacked assumptions about your opponents argument and strawmanning. It...

The thing is I did give you opportunities here, you did have chances to look at the direction of the argument, the evidence, the stated positions. I pointed out to you very bluntly where you were in the wrong and you didn't act on them. You doubled down, continued to fabricate and strawman...

Yeah, but I'm not a very nice person. Still as I said not my choice so you don't have to worry if you've done nothing wrong.

That will make it so much easier for my colleagues to make a decision, thank you.

It won't be me :) I'm just telling you that you have crossed a line, you had plenty of chances to peddle back, you didn't. What happens next is on you.

And you are still misrepresenting my position about what I want from society :p You've done nothing but lie and strawman, you can't even admit it. Unfortunately your actions do have consequences, you don't get to pull this shit and walk away. Rule 2c lets call it, lying and strawmanning...

What I take personal is not what you think is happening in the world, that's your business, your interpretation. What I take personal is you making up stuff I didn't say and lying about what I believe in based on that. Because that is, in fact, personal. Don't make stuff up based on your...

Look at it this way, if what you say is true then those groups are removing freedom of choice when it comes to having a family. They are authoritarians who want to tell you what to do and remove your ability to make your own rational choice. That is the opposite of what I have said I support...

My stated position is that freedom is good, but that freedom comes with a responsibility to use it well and that freedom of choice does not mean freedom from consequence. That position hasn't changed or modified since the first post in this thread. All the other shit you accuse me of standing...

That isn't my stated position, you are making it up again! Where did I say I support the status quo? How fucking hard is this?

You made some serious accusations about where I stand and what I support. You don't get to weasel out of that you little shit. You lied about me so now you put up or shut up. Post your fucking evidence right now.

So you can't quote my text because I didn't say it. You are instead lying about my position, putting words into my mouth which I didn't say and then strawmanning the fuck out of me to try and undermine my credibility. Not the only time either, want me to go grab a couple more examples of you...

My position hasn't changed since the first post in this thread, what has changed is only your assumption of my position. Did I say freedom above all? Freedom without consequence or responsibility? Go read my very first post again. I say that freedom to choose is essential, and if you want to...

I reckon like IWD says it will vary on culture, I think he and you are right that some groups never will assimilate because they can't. But I don't think its universal and I don't think it has to be an element of conquest or force. The Irish integrated, it wasn't clean because Irish immigrants...

Why do you assume I believe in freedom of choice over everything? Do you think I don't believe in responsibility for those choices too? Why do you go right for the most extreme interpretation of a position? I haven't said freedom above all have I? I believe in people being free to make their...

Because it isn't a zero sum game, it isn't either/or. You can make efforts to improve people and their character without victimising them and turning them into a lesser class. There are always solutions and alternative ways to get what you want. That was just a general comment so I didn't have...

Freedom means you get to make your own choices, some people make shit choices. The solution to that is to push people into making better choices, not remove their ability to choose in the first place. As for expelling undesirables etc, thats just Ethnic cleansing and I'm old enough to remember...

Sometimes even I can lose my temper :p Especially in the face of just... well you read it. I mean the guy isn't wrong, that stuff happens, just needs to be smarter in expressing it I reckon

I have absolutely no doubt some do it because they are evil bastards, but at the bottom of it there is money. They found a niche and filled it by exploiting a vulnerable demographic that no one cared about and was reluctant to investigate. There is definitely a racial element, but its only part...