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Guy's do me a favor...look at the thread title topic... ...Now look at what your discussing... ...Now look at how long this discussion has been ongoing... Now please do the math of what I am trying to say and guess what I want and the ramifications of what will happen should it not happen...

What do you mean? The guy has been admin for the site appointed by Horton himself and in the Cat's absence the past few years he has pretty much always been the commander and chief over there. Horton's second in command runs FIC now in all but legal writting.

Those troops arent leaving. Also nitpic but the U.S. going after the Soviets was a pipe dream.

Where are Sweden and FInland? Aren't they in the Anti-Slavic alliance as well? Why are the Czecks and Slovakians so self-hating?:p:p:p

The Russians even if they fully mobilize dont have enough massed public support for the war to continue it to the point of conquering all of Ukraine especially with their irreplaceable equipment loss. More likely they will try to take everything east of the Dneiper before forcing the trump...

... @planefag are you drinking again?...

"Wingo!" Alright guys! Just a friendly reminder to stay on topic and not to continue pointless derails off subject, this is already a derail thread do we have too seriously made a derail thread for it? So please try to stay relevant and on topic of the initial derail discussion.

Okay, that explains a lot...

Funny the Russian Federation doesn't appear to be the stronger one by an overwhelming margin in any major capacity.

And there wouldn't have been a war either had Russia simply chose to let it go and they couldn't just like Ukraine simply isn't going to give in because Russia demands they do so.

I am not taking issue with the Russians for invading the Ukraine for their self interest, I am taking issue with people pretending that it's what the Ukrainians want as if they want their country be a worn torn shithole or be ruled from Moscow by puppets or decrees as in their best interest. So...

I am saying it takes two to damn well tango and that for all the Russians and their proponents/shit eaters bluster of removing Nazi's from the Ukranian government, the bottom line of the situation is that the average Ukranian wants neither Russia nor Nazi's quiet equally at the end of the day...

Don't even get started on the countless crisis in the former USSR involved. I mean I acknowledge the U.S. shitty history in provoking conflicts but using it to dismiss Russia's own poor actions is just blame shifting. The Russians chose to invade Ukraine, nobody truly made them do anything and...

Propaganda I assure you, the west has you fooled us all by playing those clips in reverse. :p

You can't be serious... If you are it's perfectly logical for a nation to demand this because if Kiev becomes a warzone the similarities could lead to a number of stupid situation's, if I were stuck there right now you certainty wouldn't catch me flying anything vaguely resembling a Russian or...

Chiron please don't goalpost shift. You initially stated that conscripts didnt go to Vietnam and your above information disproves that fact. The argument over how many more of which died either conscripts or volunteer is another matter entirely. Also...

This isnt true in the slightest, I know because my grandfather and most of his military friends were draftees they didn't 'volunteer' for anything.

Paved the way for a communist/Russian takeover in a country that had a big history in despising American imperialism, something which isn't relevant to the U.S. as our enemies are already trying to take it over. While I don't condone the assassination pretending, we could have stopped Vietnam...

Let me put it this way, I think Mexico is the U.S.'s bitch, but I am not so arrogant as to think the President of Mexico would give up an inch of territory to the U.S. or take it up the rear from Biden if he were suddenly to demand that from them, Nor would I blame him for refusing.