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I just don't get how you can justify that what Antifa and BLM is doing are wrong without objective morality. How? I asked you this in the previous post: You said "Move to Mars". Why couldn't you give details about it?

I already addressed it to you, Bacle. To reiterate, Original Sin just recognizes human nature. Everyone is corrupted. Because all sinned. And must struggle to choose good. That is why we have free will. It's an equalizing concept. Everyone is human. Like I said to you, when you take out...

I believe the contrary was already pointed out to you by LordsFire: You do not seem to think that trad cons can have a discussion with other people unless they give up their viewpoint. Yet, I'm sure you'll believe that a classical liberal and a communist can debate about private property.

I think you can get the concept of an imperfect world and flawed humanity across very easily. You only need to establish that there is an object standard, an objective truth and point out examples where human nature falls way short of that standard. Racial original sin falls apart when you...

As I said, Christianity, meanwhile, teaches that we live in a free world and evil exists alongside free will. Christianity may have been used to keep lower classes in line, but it also had a large role in the abolition of slavery and the development of Protestant industriousness, for example...

Okay, but I was asking for sources.

Again, how is that supposed to work out? Can you show me sources on us being able to do this?

How is that supposed to work out? We don't live in sci fi.

Classical liberalism rises and falls and falls with objective values. Those values are individual liberty and right to property. Once the narrative is "speech is violence" and "owning property" is violence, what do you do?

Yet, every culture have had similar mores and taboos. Almost every culture developed monogamy as the norm, looked down on drunkenness as a vice, and saw children and the family as important. Those that didn't have these sort of mores failed. Being left alone is all well and good when society...

You say libertinism should be limited by human nature. But look around you. All the degenerate things that are happening is because all objective standards of morality are tossed out the window and people are told to do what they want. In the end, society needs objective values underpinning it...

How so? When does society become too libertine in your mind?