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  1. Fleiur

    Conservative vs Libertarian... Round One... DEBATE!

    No. I'm saying that no one has the right to sacrifice another even if it conceivably could save more people. That's playing God. Like I said. Bad things happen when that happens.
  2. Fleiur

    Conservative vs Libertarian... Round One... DEBATE!

    It does have an answer: You are not God. No one has the right to play with people's lives.
  3. Fleiur

    Conservative vs Libertarian... Round One... DEBATE!

    Assuming that one person is an innocent victim? No. That falls into the utilitarian trap. It's been done before. The results weren't good.
  4. Fleiur

    Conservative vs Libertarian... Round One... DEBATE!

    I doubt anyone is 100% right on anything. But, there are some things that we can say for sure. Violence to coerce people is wrong. Stealing is wrong. These are self-evident because it harms the other person. Yet, everything we can agree to be right and wrong comes down to the belief that each...
  5. Fleiur

    Conservative vs Libertarian... Round One... DEBATE!

    It's not a strawman. It's philosophy. I'm taking subjective morality to its logical conclusion. I haven't said anything other critics of subjective morality haven't already said.
  6. Fleiur

    Conservative vs Libertarian... Round One... DEBATE!

    I'm saying that people need to live by certain standards to defend their freedom. You're really not getting my point.. Without belief in objective morality, Nazi morality is just as valid as yours. It is just as right to revere Mao as Gandhi.
  7. Fleiur

    Conservative vs Libertarian... Round One... DEBATE!

    I'm criticizing the belief that morality comes from power. Morality comes from what's true. If morality comes from power, no one's freedom will be protected. Tyrants will be free to take away freedoms at will.
  8. Fleiur

    Conservative vs Libertarian... Round One... DEBATE!

    Then you believe in only power. Under your moral system, we will inevitably have a boot stomping on our face. Forever. I know Islam is a religion of peace through violence.
  9. Fleiur

    Conservative vs Libertarian... Round One... DEBATE!

    Any violence done in the name of Christianity is done contrary to its tenets, tenets that your own beliefs are based on in some way if you are a Westerner. We hold arbitrary violence to be wrong. Yet, what if society approved of arbitrary violence as SJWs would have it? If that happened, would...
  10. Fleiur

    Conservative vs Libertarian... Round One... DEBATE!

    Nonetheless, under your logic, our positions are morally equivalent. Of course we can have our own morality. Subjective morality is little more than personal preference. However, only objective morality allows us to make a value judgement. People have said that they're free to do as they please...
  11. Fleiur

    Conservative vs Libertarian... Round One... DEBATE!

    Every time you say society is this or that, you imply certain codes of morality are more true than others. What right would you have to condemn Nazis or Communists if morality is subjective? You do not live as if Maoist morality is as good as libertarian morality for example. And make no...
  12. Fleiur

    Conservative vs Libertarian... Round One... DEBATE!

    You can't live like morality is subjective. Within a minute, you started talking about what society "needs to change".
  13. Fleiur

    Conservative vs Libertarian... Round One... DEBATE!

    People advocating religious values in the public square do so because they have their own internal logic and are proven to be objectively true in certain aspects. Are marriages more or less happy than they were in the 50s?
  14. Fleiur

    Conservative vs Libertarian... Round One... DEBATE!

    Men will never be satisfied. They want whores until they're cheated on. And then they go MGTOW.
  15. Fleiur

    Conservative vs Libertarian... Round One... DEBATE!

    It's objective reality. Free love has been proven to destroy societies. If that lines up with my religion, it's a credit to that religion.
  16. Fleiur

    Conservative vs Libertarian... Round One... DEBATE!

    I can still judge it.
  17. Fleiur

    Conservative vs Libertarian... Round One... DEBATE!

    Yeah. If you don't have self respect.
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