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  1. Cyan Saiyajin

    Abortion: When is a fetus a human?

    I also agree, but its important to consider that regardless of how well you may build that logical castle in your mind, the foundations are still made out of sponge cake. The same sponge cake everyone uses. Honestly? Not sure, its another thing to look into, but even if I come to the decision...
  2. Cyan Saiyajin

    Abortion: When is a fetus a human?

    Personal my own ideas on the matter is simple, we all have faith and belief, especially when we claim we don't. We all believe in different things and may argue until the end of time on them, but it itself is a constant. Even a nihilist believes in the truth of his own nihilism, and if he lacks...
  3. Cyan Saiyajin

    Abortion: When is a fetus a human?

    Morality comes from God because we believe he exists and have faith that these are in fact his real commands. Belief and faith are feelings. God's commands only work as far as we believe them to be true, even when we try to deny the existence of divinity we still fundamentally depend on the same...
  4. Cyan Saiyajin

    Abortion: When is a fetus a human?

    I think its the implication that moral arguments can be anything other than emotional ones in the end, and the degree as to which we apply them. You think science back moral arguments are somehow less emotional than emotional based moral arguments and therefore are closer to the truth. I think...
  5. Cyan Saiyajin

    Abortion: When is a fetus a human?

    The fact is that equality and the sanctity of human life comes from belief in said principles not science. Science ultimately has to take the back seat to belief because while it can support philosophical and religious tenants it can't be a belief. It can prove rocks don't have feelings, it...
  6. Cyan Saiyajin

    Abortion: When is a fetus a human?

    Feelings is what turns a baby into something worth caring about in the first place. Personhood being valuable it not a scientific fact, its religious and philosophical argument based on feelings. Accepting a scientific argument is a bad idea, because that means you are just a collection of...
  7. Cyan Saiyajin

    Abortion: When is a fetus a human?

    Nothing is absolute, especially "moral fact". You can't not ignore emotions involved in a case as they can change the context of a case. Emotions can be facts that must be included and considered in the judgement. Hence why crimes of passion are treated differently from premeditated ones. Sure...
  8. Cyan Saiyajin

    Abortion: When is a fetus a human?

    Basically this. The question isn't when a human life begins, its when should that life be protected. Does the person the zygote becomes warrants intrinsic value and therefore protection? When does it stop becoming its mother property and when does it become a being whose life should be...
  9. Cyan Saiyajin

    Abortion: When is a fetus a human?

    So question, in your opinion do people have to earn the qualification of humanity, or do they have to lose it?
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