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  1. Bear Ribs

    Alternate History The Pleistocene never ended in North America

    Lol wut? Nobody thinks the kills happened at all once, Mammoth Central is near an array of artificial pit traps. It's exceedingly apparent this was a sustained mammoth-killing operation and probably went on for years. 1 Very few predators can take on a physically active and armed human in the...
  2. Bear Ribs

    Alternate History The Pleistocene never ended in North America

    Pretty sure it was pistol rounds. The Study didn't specify but they were testing out a hypothesis about soft body armor so an elephant gun cartridge wouldn't be something they'd expect such armor to defeat anyway.
  3. Bear Ribs

    Alternate History The Pleistocene never ended in North America

    Gustave hasn't been "sprayed with bullets" he had three scars that people think maybe might have been from bullets but nobody's really sure. OTOH we have a much firmer record with Krys, the 28-foot long seagoing crocodile, much larger than Gustave. What happened? A polish woman killed it...
  4. Bear Ribs

    Alternate History The Pleistocene never ended in North America

    So? Nile crocs don't hit 30 feet but do reach over 20, the extra ten feet aren't going to mean a bullet suddenly no longer works. Unless any of those predators are bulletproof, more bulletproof than the mammoths our ancestors had no problem killing with spears and rocks, it doesn't matter that...
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    Alternate History The Pleistocene never ended in North America

    Unlikely. You're presuming this world works like Jurassic Park or some crappy RPG where every single animal automatically knows who the main character is, is waiting along the only path the PC can take, and immediately moves to attack them as soon as they enter aggro range. IRL a typical male...
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    Alternate History The Pleistocene never ended in North America

    Not remotely the same thing. Just about anything, even a small stray dog or raccoon, can kill a human under the right circumstances. Drive humans to extinction or prevent an industrialized nation from expanding into an uninhabited area to gather resources? That's a whole different ball of wax.
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    Alternate History The Pleistocene never ended in North America

    Fair enough, I'll retract that Mastodons are the largest, but humans hunted Wooly Mammoths as well so the main point stands. And again, there's no reason to think "eaten by the wildlife" was the cause of humans disappearing, if they actually disappeared at all because that's a pretty fuzzy time...
  8. Bear Ribs

    Alternate History The Pleistocene never ended in North America

    That very much doesn't support the idea that said humanity died off due to NA being a death zone, in fact the evidence they have suggests those humans were killing mastodons and using their bones as tools, a sharp poke in the eye of the idea that the wildlife was too much for them. There's not...
  9. Bear Ribs

    Alternate History The Pleistocene never ended in North America

    Short-faced bear's only slightly larger than the California Grizzly and the aforementioned Jäger could one-shot them. Mammoth's the biggest thing on the list and we know humans killed them in job-lots using nothing but spears. Smilodon's smaller than an African lion or tiger, and humans killed...
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    Alternate History The Pleistocene never ended in North America

    The estimates I gave were for the number living north of the Rio Grande. There were indeed even more in South America. But again, unless there's reason to think gunpowder weaponry can't take down the megafauna it's only going to be a speedbump, and much of less of one than the natives were...
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    Alternate History The Pleistocene never ended in North America

    Way too few natives for this to turn into Africa 2.0. I've seen estimates on the pre-Columbus population ranging from 3.8 million to 19 million, with around 90-95% dying from European diseases. That would put the minimum population at around 200,000 and more likely several million, and those...
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