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  1. Battlegrinder

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    Well, it's a main part of the episode's plot that they did not actually have the time or ability to send in all the reinforcements they wanted, but otherwise yes.
  2. Battlegrinder

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    First of all, themselves. "I had to blackmail this corrupt Romulan senator for the good of the federation" is not something that most people will lose sleep over. "I had to create a super-plague that would run rampant, killing everyone including innocents, children, civilians not involved in...
  3. Battlegrinder

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    That's not the case, the flood are not present in forerunner facilities save a tiny, tiny handful. The only time they've shown up outside a halo ring was halo wars 1 (and I think 2 but it's been a while) and there wasn't really a plausible reason for thier appearance in wars, it was pretty much...
  4. Battlegrinder

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    I think that's a very uncharitable reading of my argument, which, granted, does cycle back to AR-558 frequently, but it does so for good reason. AR-558 is our best view of how federation ground troop operate, and the episode gives us a good view of the entire engagement, as opposed to, say, Nor...
  5. Battlegrinder

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    And as I said before, since later shuttles have shields, nav deflectors, and SIF to protect them while the shuttlepod must rely only it's hull, there is no reason to just assume newer craft are built be far tougher, since they don't need to be heavily built like the shuttlepod was. You're just...
  6. Battlegrinder

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    "Our ship is awesome because it was only badly damaged by weapons two centuries out of date" is not a very compelling argument. It's like gloating about how awesome a tank is because it's armor mostly withstood being shot at by revolutionary war era black power cannons. Also, it's not very...
  7. Battlegrinder

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    There is a significant difference between "this one line is wrong" and "every firefight ever seen on the show, along with numerous other plot points, are wrong". At best, the conclusion you are drawing from the dislogue is faulty. If wide beam kill exists, the fact it's never used in combat...
  8. Battlegrinder

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    Any conclusion to the effect of "whatever we saw on the actual show never would have really happened in the real star trek" is wrong by default, no matter who says it.
  9. Battlegrinder

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    The writer's manual was written to be a tool for the show, not a straightjacket (and there is no way the a tool for the show version listed all the nonsense the TM does about hand phasers), if the writers decide that in fact, they want to do something that's against the Manuel, the writers win...
  10. Battlegrinder

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    https://www.the-sietch.com/index.php?threads/halo-vs-star-trek-ground-troop-force-sub.7086/ Force Sub thread is done, so we don't have to deal with any more of this nonsense going forward.
  11. Battlegrinder

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    Yeah, I'm not interested in dealing with "it was immune 20th century radar, therefore it's immune to all radar forever", a bunch of hyperbolic rambling about backpacks, conflating starship scale weapons with infantry ones, and this crap about setting 16 vaporizing tanks in site of it being used...
  12. Battlegrinder

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    Sounds better than this mess. Let's say AR-558 vs...the defense of alpha base from The Flood for Starfleet?
  13. Battlegrinder

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    We are now. Dunno. Ok, so shuttlepod hulls are just barely strong enough to resist damage from an M2 browning. Whatever. Tanks are flat out impervious to them but still vulnerable to UNSC AA missiles, so the shuttle is toast. Again, that's not the question, or even related to the question...
  14. Battlegrinder

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    The Defiant also has far smaller cargo bays than Voyager, even if it transports down slower, it also has far less stuff available to beam down. The episode says they're nearly done, and givens them a fair bit of time to finish, arguing they must still not be done is a much bigger assumption...
  15. Battlegrinder

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    Beam troops in through a jamming field.....how exactly? Argent V. Modern shuttlecraft have no reason to be built even as strongly, but to be conservative we can assume they're as durable as the 22nd century model that's threatened by 50 cal. Again, the question isn't "starfleet fighter...
  16. Battlegrinder

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    First off, the stun grenade that you yourself pointed out do zero damage to the ship and would be totally usable, as would anything else designed to be lethal or debilitating that won't break through the metal equipment covers lining (which are fairly thick, I think at least a quarter inch)...
  17. Battlegrinder

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    You're doing that thing again where you take a general premise of "will go down to the surface at all" and take it as being evidence of your very specific claim, which it does not support. Yes, because UNSC uses missiles for air defense, missiles that can be used as anti-tank weapons in a...
  18. Battlegrinder

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    Star trek isn't one of those "realistic" settings where they care about possibly puncturing something important during a boarding action, they regularly run around having gun battles in the hallways, I doubt grenades would make it any worse. The only time I recall there being any discussion of...
  19. Battlegrinder

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    The problem with this arguement (and for the record I don't really agree the pro-UNSC side boils down to "they didn't do it these other times", several points under contention here are things they've just flat out never done ever) is that it's slightly dubious to compare nuclear weapons to hand...
  20. Battlegrinder

    Starfleet vs UNSC Ground Troops

    This isn't a matter of intelligence, this is a matter of behavior. Because Starfleet officers consistently attempt to draw back and disengage when under fire rather than call in reinforcements, including in combat (Nor the Battle) I think it's likely they will continue to do so in this case, and...
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