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If we left american citizens behind and something happens to those people, the repercussions here are going to be....ugly.

Ok people, things are getting a bit testy here and the staff would appreciate it if y'all would take it down a notice and please dial down the animosity a bit.

It's correct to note that it wasn't just Biden, the entire government and military has been openly lying to the American people for years about the situation in Afghanistan and the capabilities of the Afghanistan military and police. The "the glories are coming for us" thing is absurd, though.

Given what we're seeing now, while withdrawing was a mistake, staying clearly wasn't an opition. We spent 20 years trying to build a functional government and military there, and it collapsed the moment we left. It collapsed twice, actually, given how badly they got routed by ISIS. After a...