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  1. Battlegrinder

    United States Minnesota; Man, George Floyd, dies during arrest, cause being a cop kneeling on his neck

    That's not the same though. Those things will kill someone, and doing it anyway shows you don't care about that risk. Putting a knee on someone's neck like this isn't the same category, that's not nearly as certain to cause lethal injury, nor is it as intuitively obvious that it's going to cause...
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    United States Minnesota; Man, George Floyd, dies during arrest, cause being a cop kneeling on his neck

    I'm pretty sure that's not the case. Just on a quick google of news articles and police blotters, I'm seeing lots of people being arrested for shoplifting, noise offense, DUI, etc.
  3. Battlegrinder

    United States Minnesota; Man, George Floyd, dies during arrest, cause being a cop kneeling on his neck

    There's also reports that the cops themselves are running around looting and setting things on fire to frame the protesters, because of course there have never been cases where black people riot and set things on fire after a case of alleged police misconduct. At this point, I would basically...
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    United States Minnesota; Man, George Floyd, dies during arrest, cause being a cop kneeling on his neck

    As Bacle said, words have meaning, and the events here don't fit what you say they do. There was that whole discussion the other day here about how hard it would be to get a murder charge to stick here, because murder charges require that you prove intent to kill, and that intent appears absent...
  5. Battlegrinder

    United States Minnesota; Man, George Floyd, dies during arrest, cause being a cop kneeling on his neck

    Saying he was executed is not really appropriate. That carries an implication of intentional action that thus far is not supported by the facts. By all appearances, his death was an accident, the result of sloppiness and carelessness on the part of the police. Calling this is an execution is...
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    United States Minnesota; Man, George Floyd, dies during arrest, cause being a cop kneeling on his neck

    I doubt the murder charge sticks, but otherwise that's good news.
  7. Battlegrinder

    United States Minnesota; Man, George Floyd, dies during arrest, cause being a cop kneeling on his neck

    It is entirely reasonable to arrest someone for passing counterfeit money, whether or not they know (or more accurately, claim to know) it's counterfeit or not. The fact the police utterly botched the actual process of arresting him does not call into question the legitimacy of them doing so.
  8. Battlegrinder

    United States Minnesota; Man, George Floyd, dies during arrest, cause being a cop kneeling on his neck

    That's going to hit the same issue as 2nd degree murder, in that it's going to be very difficult to prove it applies. "Depraved mind" doesn't mean "did something he shouldn't have", it's that same "did something they knew was probably lethal and didn't care" thing that second degree murder...
  9. Battlegrinder

    United States Minnesota; Man, George Floyd, dies during arrest, cause being a cop kneeling on his neck

    Second degree murder is generally defined as as a malicious intentional killing, but without prior planning. You'd have a really hard time proving murderous intent in this case. The third type, extreme indifference to human life, would also be a hard sell. You'd have to prove beyond a...
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    United States Minnesota; Man, George Floyd, dies during arrest, cause being a cop kneeling on his neck

    I'm not particular concerned about them not caring what he was saying, I'd assume that cops are primed to automatically disbelieve any complaints from any suspect, because it's dishonest 99% of the time. Cops probably are trained to not listen to that kind of complaining from suspects. What's...
  11. Battlegrinder

    United States Minnesota; Man, George Floyd, dies during arrest, cause being a cop kneeling on his neck

    Do you happen to know how common that kind of thing actually is?
  12. Battlegrinder

    United States Minnesota; Man, George Floyd, dies during arrest, cause being a cop kneeling on his neck

    Oh, certainly that should be the viewpoint the legal system holds towards those officers. But just because they haven't seen the inside of a courtroom yet doesn't mean that we're obligated to not make our own judgement based on the facts as we know them. There are obviously plenty of people...
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