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  1. Bacle

    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    Well, that's the one last hurdle cleared, so Sweden should be cleared to join NATO.
  2. Bacle

    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    Erdogan is an ass and a monster, but he's far, far more competent than Putin and also has a nation that is in much, much better shape than Putin's Russia is, both in the long and short term outlooks.
  3. Bacle

    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    Looks like with the Turkish election out of the way, Erdogan is letting Sweden finally join NATO.
  4. Bacle

    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    So NATO influence expanding to Asia via a Japanese office; given the US participation in NATO, this is maybe not the biggest surprise.
  5. Bacle

    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    I'm going to commit a heresy here and say Sweden is needed for the Grippen for Ukraine, and Ukraine will be joining NATO once it has it's lands back. Perun did an excellent break down that Grippens road-capable from the get go design, paired with Brit Meteors, would give Ukraine an edge to deal...
  6. Bacle

    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    Well, this is a new era, with a Rivet Joint able to fly directly along the Finnish/Russian border for the first time. Edit: Also looks like the Nordics have agreed to for what is effectively a joint air force between Norway, Denmark, Sweden, and Finland.
  7. Bacle

    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    Fucking Islamists; trying to dictate what the religious laws are in another nation in order to get them in NATO. I hope every citizen of Sweden burns a quran on camera and on tv, so Erdy can see how little this is going to help him. Edit: Vengeful Finns are something that should give Russia...
  8. Bacle

    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    Erdogan upset over a Quran burning, so won't support Sweden entering NATO; it is plain Erdogan wants to force other EU/NATO nations to enforce Islamic laws on their own soil as a condition of entering NATO. How long till someone decides the easiest way to get Sweden and Finland into NATO is to...
  9. Bacle

    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    And Turkey doesn't undermine Greek security with it's antics in the Aegen or on Cypress? Turkey doesn't get to use the 'undermining security' card for the Kurds when Turkey itself is still actively undermining a fellow NATO member's security on a routine basis.
  10. Bacle

    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    I want to address this, after cooling off from how pissed I was at this shit continuing to be held up by Turkey/Erdogan. I didn't say wipe the Turk's out , just shift them to Turkmenistan/partition Turkey if they continue to be intransigent about trying to force anti-Kurd laws (not just...
  11. Bacle

    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    The Wiki just reinforces that yes, the ancestors of modern Turkey came to the area as conquerors with the Seljuks (who I thought were part of the Khan's subjects, but apparently this was straight Persian Empire stuff), due to language distribution. Which is why I said that the modern nation of...
  12. Bacle

    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    I truly do not give a fuck if I come off as more warhawky than the Walrus of Doom when it comes to Erdogan/the Turks as they play these games over Sweden and Finland. Turkey, as a nation, is little better in Iran or Syria in my eyes, only slightly better because of aid to Ukraine. I despise...
  13. Bacle

    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    Turk's/Ottoman's ancestors came from Turkmenistan with the Khans. What is modern Turkey was mostly Greek, Assyrian, and Armenian lands before the Khan's installed the Ottoman's ancestors to rule the place. At minimum, the west side of the Bosphorus and Constantinople need to be returned to...
  14. Bacle

    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    And in doing so, we once again have broken promises to another ethnic minority that has been shit on by their neighbors and left them out to dry, outside of their little enclave in Syria. Acting like every Kurd is a commie might be great for trying to excuse how badly we have treated them, but...
  15. Bacle

    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    Because I still like the Kurds, and haven't forgotten them like so many in the west have. They got fucked over twice by the US when we dealt with Iraq, and their enclave in Syria has potential if they were given a coast to link it too, say the Turkish coast just north of Syria and maybe even up...
  16. Bacle

    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    Position 4) Break up Turkey and partition it off into new/old sections of Greece and Armenia and a Kurdish state. Destroy the last remnant of Ottoman power, and remove a perennial headache to the region. Constantinople can be Greek again, and Armenia can get the last laugh on the Ataturk and...
  17. Bacle

    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    The other alternative is to just remove Erdogan; he and his Islamist pals are a cancer on NATO and their aggression towards Greece is ignored by most everyone. The Kurds are not the only ones with beef with the wannabe-Sultan.
  18. Bacle

    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    The Turks may be 'allies', but Erdogan and the Islamists he reps are a rather open and proud fifth column inside NATO. And with the Moskva gone, the Russian Black Sea Fleet is hardly worth the allying with the Turks to bottle up anymore. Face it, Turkey is trying to play NATO against itself...
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