1. Bacle

    Russia(gate/bot) At what rate is NATO planning to invite in Ukraine? If NATO doesn't know, why is negotiating away a neutrality agreement a non-starter?

    Less broken clock being right, and more domestic abuser occasionally being right.
  2. Bacle

    Russia(gate/bot) At what rate is NATO planning to invite in Ukraine? If NATO doesn't know, why is negotiating away a neutrality agreement a non-starter?

    No, we just remember what happened post-9/11 with the excesses (Freedom Fries and Patriot Act, anyone) and lies of the "War on Terror" in the media and the more recent lies about the Wu Flu/it's vax's, along with how they covered the stolen election. We also haven't forgotten neocon warhawks...
  3. Bacle

    Russia(gate/bot) At what rate is NATO planning to invite in Ukraine? If NATO doesn't know, why is negotiating away a neutrality agreement a non-starter?

    How? From everything I've seen going on with everyday people, on both parts of the political spectrum, the Ukraine distraction seems to be working to distract people from all those issues, assuming they even believe they existed in the first place due to how the MSM have treated all that as...
  4. Bacle

    Russia(gate/bot) At what rate is NATO planning to invite in Ukraine? If NATO doesn't know, why is negotiating away a neutrality agreement a non-starter?

    Because a US Congresscritter/State Dept person bragged about planning it several weeks before it happened. I'll quote Tippy here:
  5. Bacle

    Russia(gate/bot) At what rate is NATO planning to invite in Ukraine? If NATO doesn't know, why is negotiating away a neutrality agreement a non-starter?

    Because Ukraine and the Baltics are different situations, in terms of what the risk vs rewards are for trying to have them in NATO and were also far less corrupt than Ukraine.
  6. Bacle

    Russia(gate/bot) At what rate is NATO planning to invite in Ukraine? If NATO doesn't know, why is negotiating away a neutrality agreement a non-starter?

    NATO is not Ukraine, and as far as I know, there are no ABM/possible TCLM launchers in the Baltics, only Poland and Romania. US forces in the Baltics are tripwire forces mostly made of cav and armor, so they can at least fight through the first strikes of a nuclear war. As well, the Ohio SSGN...
  7. Bacle

    Russia(gate/bot) At what rate is NATO planning to invite in Ukraine? If NATO doesn't know, why is negotiating away a neutrality agreement a non-starter?

    The comparison poisons the well. Also, have you just up and forgotten what the US gov did with regards to Wu Flu info, and is still doing with it? Doubt the official narratrive of all sides, yet recognizing what is actually happening on the ground and what gov heads are claiming vs what...
  8. Bacle

    Russia(gate/bot) At what rate is NATO planning to invite in Ukraine? If NATO doesn't know, why is negotiating away a neutrality agreement a non-starter?

    The ship/sub numbers came down because we felt the Cold War was over, not as a peace overture to Russia. You say I'm credolously falling for Russian propaganda, while you credolously are buying DC's propaganda. The fact is, I'm calling out of the propaganda of all sides, including the US, and...
  9. Bacle

    Russia(gate/bot) At what rate is NATO planning to invite in Ukraine? If NATO doesn't know, why is negotiating away a neutrality agreement a non-starter?

    It can be both rational and irrational, because the fears that motivate it may be overblown, but the risks (from Putin's/Russia's POV) of it being real are too great to ignore. With the way the US and West have acted towards Russia sence the 'Russian collusion hoax' against Trump was fabricated...
  10. Bacle

    Russia(gate/bot) At what rate is NATO planning to invite in Ukraine? If NATO doesn't know, why is negotiating away a neutrality agreement a non-starter?

    Here's the problem with your thinking on this; you are expecting both DC and Moscow to be rational about this. The last few years have proven neither are rational when the pride of thier leadership class is in the line. I absolutely believe some in DC/NATO would be dumb enough to try to hide...
  11. Bacle

    Russia(gate/bot) At what rate is NATO planning to invite in Ukraine? If NATO doesn't know, why is negotiating away a neutrality agreement a non-starter?

    There might be; Aegis Ashore in Poland and the possibility of it having first strike weapons in its magazines, not just ABM missiles, is part of what's making Moscow nervous about NATO pushing east. Its part of why Moscow wants weapons inspections of the Aegis sites, to make sure we are not...
  12. Bacle

    Russia(gate/bot) At what rate is NATO planning to invite in Ukraine? If NATO doesn't know, why is negotiating away a neutrality agreement a non-starter?

    That might fly for EU membership, due to it's mostly economic nature (even if I think the EU is just a different poison than Russian aggression). It doesn't fly for NATO, which is a military mutual protection pact. Ukraine joining NATO was never in the cards. It might have been able to join the...
  13. Bacle

    Russia(gate/bot) At what rate is NATO planning to invite in Ukraine? If NATO doesn't know, why is negotiating away a neutrality agreement a non-starter?

    The Baltic's are not Ukraine, and they absolutely were right to get themselves into NATO when they did. Even letting Sweden and Finland in in the near future is not a huge problem, compared to what trying to get Ukraine into NATO/the EU would have entailed. And it does not matter if Ukraine was...
  14. Bacle

    Russia(gate/bot) At what rate is NATO planning to invite in Ukraine? If NATO doesn't know, why is negotiating away a neutrality agreement a non-starter?

    Ukraine would have been better off going into the EEU/CSTO than joining the EU or NATO; the EU is a farce that needs to die anyway, as Brexit proved, and NATO should not try to push it's borders to within minutes flight time from Moscow.
  15. Bacle

    Russia(gate/bot) At what rate is NATO planning to invite in Ukraine? If NATO doesn't know, why is negotiating away a neutrality agreement a non-starter?

    EU, maybe, NATO, not a chance. Trying to get Ukraine into NATO/EU is part of what instigated the events that led to the Maidan, and all the ugliness that's come after it Ukraine was fine as a neutral buffer state, but the DC and Brussels really wanted to get them into the EU and NATO, just to...
  16. Bacle

    Russia(gate/bot) At what rate is NATO planning to invite in Ukraine? If NATO doesn't know, why is negotiating away a neutrality agreement a non-starter?

    He's put you on Ignore; seems like he does that to anyone who confront him with rhetoric that does match his world view.
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