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  1. Bacle

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    How the Daughter of the Confederacy and other CSA/Southern Socialites Rewrote the Civil War. Next time people act like the CSA statues coming down is bad thing, remember who put them up, and why.
  2. Bacle

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    They were taken down by angry mobs in some cases, and those people should charged for vandalism. In others, it was a lawful, bureaucratic process, that may be unpopular to some, which had the statues removed, and that is not the same as violent mobs tearing things down. There is a difference...
  3. Bacle

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Yes, and I object to that sort of bullshit and will fight against it. I will not however fall into this mindbug that the CSA statues coming down is a bad thing, simply because people go overboard or act with malice in other areas. They cannot erase history, either, even by taking statues down...
  4. Bacle

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    I will not play the game of trying to equate the CSA with other events in our history, or let this become about people wanting to try to piss on MLK out of 'whataboutism'. The CSA is unique in the US's past, and the monuments to it should never have gone up to begin with. Because the younger...
  5. Bacle

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Then we call them out for it, we start actually charging people for vandalism (and no, the city taking it down isn't vandalism, even if it is stupid), and keep trying to protect the ones worth protecting as best we can. But do not mistake that for being willing to defend CSA monuments; those...
  6. Bacle

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    L&C and Sacagawea are part of American history, not a 'white America', and the people who see want to overlay race onto every part of American history (on both sides) are why so many problems are still plaguing this nation. Too many ignore MLK's line about the 'content of their character, not...
  7. Bacle

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    That wasn't the stated reason. The complaint said it was about Sacagawea's position on the statue, not the fact L&C and her had a statue. Them not understanding she's in the position of an old scout/pathfinder, and what that entailed/how important that work was, is rather believable.
  8. Bacle

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    I see what happens when people go overboard on trying to find 'problems' with monuments to past persons and are ignorant of how things actually occurred put in the West. I also see someone here say 'we shouldn't have to live like this' while posting stories of black-on-white crime and trying to...
  9. Bacle

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Oh ffs. The quote in there from one of Sacagawea's descendents, and the reasoning given for removing it...you dumb bitch, you have forgotten how your ancestors had to operate. People really do not get how tracking/scouting worked in those days, and think her position on the statue was about...
  10. Bacle

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Any other sources for this? Because removing L&C I might be able to believe, though not approve of. Removing Sacagawea I find hard to believe, because the Left often venerate her.
  11. Bacle

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    No, what separates us from animals is fire and writing. Elephant have really long damn memories, and beavers are effectively tool users already. But neither have control of fire. And long-term, generational knowledge depends on writing in anything above a hunter-gather society.
  12. Bacle

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    When doing both involves defending the CSA, no, you really shouldn't. Putting unrealistic expectations on their kids, and treating them a mini-version of themselves, instead of as their own individual, with their own preferences and aspirations, is a massive parenting mistake. Just because...
  13. Bacle

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Being your own person is more important than emulating your ancestors. Trying to 'emulate' family accomplishments just leads to people trying to do shit they aren't suited for or capable of, instead of focusing on what they are actually good at and capable of doing. I know from bitter...
  14. Bacle

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    No 'heritage' is more important than modern political realities, and ancestor worship is foolish. Actually I do have ties to the South. It's just they are ties to a French-born Union spy in the CSA, who operated, and later settled in, the South after the war. So you if you want to do ancestor...
  15. Bacle

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Any effort used to defend CSA monuments and the ghost of Dixie is effort that makes the Dems smile and blow kisses to the fools who engage in it. Because you are defending the Dems, when you defend the CSA, and making it easier for the modern Dems to hide their roots and paint the Right as the...
  16. Bacle

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Because crushing and discrediting the Lost Cause mythos, and the ghost of Dixie in general, is something that should have been done during the Civil Rights era. Unfortunately it wasn't, and now it's up to this generation to finish the work. If MLK hadn't been killed by a piece of shit...
  17. Bacle

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Huh. It's part of a battlefield monument that doesn't actually name Benedict, but does acknowledge he was wound on that spot while serving the US. It's not like a statue in a public park in the middle of town; it is linked to a very specific geographical position and historical event...
  18. Bacle

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    There's one to Arnold...where? Are you sure it's not just a grave marker; I draw the line at fucking with actual graves.
  19. Bacle

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Both of those are in Portland, I'd like to point out. It's a green hell, and they thrive on weirdness even before race became an issue again. They aren't hero's or great men; they are traitors and people who wanted to rip us apart because other's wanted to stop expanding the use of human slaves...
  20. Bacle

    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    No, this is just finishing work that should have been done during the Civil Right's era. Unfortunately MLK, much like Lincoln, was struck down for defying the CSA and the mythos/legacy around it. Had MLK lived, I expect this would have happened decades ago. heck, had even Malcolm X lived...
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