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Goddard's suspicion about Von Braun stealing his work is public record. But he was not a part of it, and most of the talent for the project already was in the US when it began. First I'd ever heard of the place. Looking into it, you are being misleading about it's nature: "Environmental...

1) Von Braun stole Goddard's designs, so more like the Nazi's stole US designs, then we took them back. 2) Eh, a lot of those scientists were already in the US, and the Manhattan Project was up and running without them. Remember, Einstein was not actually part of the Manhattan Project, and...

I'm sorry, who's flag is on the Moon, who had the first A-Bomb, who has the first National Park system in the world, and who saved your Euro ass's from speaking German as the state language? The US is better than Rome, and better than small-minded Euro's imaginings.

Protecting Europe from itself, or trying to, does unfortunately seem to be a recurring theme in US history.

'Hating baseball' doesn't lead to political delusions and mistaken ideas about the modern world, that have real world consequences. Mistakenly and stubbornly insisting the US and Rome are good comparisons, particularly by small-minded European's, who hate admitting the US is exceptional and yet...

Ineffective in the long run, given I don't think I'd ever heard of them before now. The US Constitution has been abused and stained by corrupt hands, but SCOTUS is still legit and may give us a chance to reclaim what was lost. Also, none of those documents had nuclear backing, 24/7/365 orbital...

I never said that the US ascended to godhood, only that we are not Rome and that comparisons between the two are largely a farce. Also, we have something more than geography on our side; it's called the US Constitution, US Congress, and US Supreme Court, something neither Rome or any European...

I've provided repeated points showing what changes to society and humanity as a whole have happened since Rome. I see what is going on with a reactionary who thinks the US is just like any Old World Euro power, and hates to think maybe the US is not doom to the same bullshit Rome dealt with...

No, no it's not, and you dismiss the details because they show how wrong your supposition actually is. No, this is you wanting to push your own reactionary view of society and the world as the 'norm' things are viewed from, when they simply aren't. And you notice I never said anything about...

You can learn from Rome's mistakes, never said that's a bad thing. What I said is those who keep trying to treat the US and Rome as analogues are doing themselves and wider society on the Right a disservice, due to the expectations and limits it places on thinking about how to handle modern...

Human society, human tech, and human knowledge have very much changed since the time of Rome. 'Human nature' does not cause Republics or Empires to rise and fall most of the time, it is the climate that pushes collapse of civilization 90% of the time, and most of the time the climate disruption...

And as the quote I put up from elsewhere pointed out, we are making up a lot of new verse's that were never in that rhyme before. So no, the pattern does not remain the same, the 'rhyme' doesn't stay the same, and we put blinders on our thinking when we try to use Rome for prediction and...

Thank you for admitting the US is facing a different set of issues than Rome did. Yes, we are making our own mistakes; that's part and parcel of civilization. We aren't going to collapse for anything short of Yellowstone going off, and even that might not actually cause the US to collapse...

Not necessarily. The collapse of Rome was not per-ordained either, and neither is the collapse of any other nation. Also, our tech is much, much better at feeding massive amounts of people, even in marginal conditions, compared to Rome. Rome didn't have orbital assets to track their enemies...

No, this thread is about 'cyclical history', and that means evidence against said theory is very valid to post here. Otherwise you may as well call it the Rome Fanboying Thread, instead. Edit: I'll even give some links...

This topic is a farce that does no one in society, no matter their politics, any good. Rome fanboys don't like when people point out that you cannot use Rome as an effective predictive model for the modern world or any modern nation. And I can very much come into this thread with tons of info...

To quote someone from elsewhere on this topic. "That's one of the reasons why I don't care much for predictions based on history. Yes, history rhymes with itself but we're writing some pretty damn new verses to this poem." Rome fanboys keep talking yourself in circles and pretending that...

I think there are cycles tied to civilization that are bigger than human factors, and have brought down many people, including Roman governments. Look at large volcanoes in Indonesia and Iceland for the real culprits behind most empires falling and civilizations collapsing. Krakatau's...

The Mason's caused every revolution and the world wars...that's new one. I mean, why not say the lizard people control the world, while your at it.

Because leadership qualities are not hereditary, and royal family squabbles can easily lead to their own civil wars. Monarchies have been on the way out since the French Revolution, and for good fucking reason.