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    ASOIAF/GOT Elendil & Numenoreans Beyond-The-Wall

    That first part is an extremely awkward question probably best delt with offscreen as it were. When a practice that is in essence kidnapping and sexual slavery is being dismantled it is a massive tangle of traumas that really should probably be left untouched by most authors. Let’s say the...
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    ASOIAF/GOT Elendil & Numenoreans Beyond-The-Wall

    Lots to remark upon there. Let’s take a crack. I agree about wildling urbanization but while they’d lose their old warrior tradition the Numenorians were quite martial themselves. I feel like the tradition of standing armies and organized militias would continue into this new kingdom. I bet...
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    ASOIAF/GOT Elendil & Numenoreans Beyond-The-Wall

    There’s much more we’ll accepted magical people on Planetos than rumors of maybe magical foreigners in the far north; most famously the shadowbinders. The fact that the Maesters haven’t tried to mess with them suggests that they won’t do so with the Numenorians. Now, whoever is in charge of...
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    ASOIAF/GOT Elendil & Numenoreans Beyond-The-Wall

    Had to crack out some quotes, but given that the Faithful/Elendili fled Numenor in nine ships there are probably less than ten thousand of them in total, even if they packed on like sardines. With that in mind latter generation 'Gondorized' wildlings (part numenorians) would make up the vast...
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    ASOIAF/GOT Elendil & Numenoreans Beyond-The-Wall

    Early Gondor was a superpower at least partly because they inherited a perfectly militarizable fleet from the exile of the Elendili, so depending on your opinion as to where Numenorian shipwrights stack up to their Essosi counterparts they could be anywhere from a new regional power in the...
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    ASOIAF/GOT Elendil & Numenoreans Beyond-The-Wall

    Okay. Let's try this again. Rough sketch of my thinking about Beyond the Wall. The Elendili have directly annexed most of the southerly, more pleasang (such as the Far North can be) parts. The center of the civilization is near the Frostfangs in the west so that they can get the stone for their...
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    ASOIAF/GOT Elendil & Numenoreans Beyond-The-Wall

    My thinking, which will be reflected in what I'm going to post as a proposition soon-ish, is that they directly conquer a fair chunk but not all, and leave the rest as dependencies/tributaries. This may well result in a divide in the Free Folk/Wildling population as well, as those who live under...
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    ASOIAF/GOT Elendil & Numenoreans Beyond-The-Wall

    So. I pulled up a map and the Thenn actually live significantly further north than I thought they did. You may have been on to something, but Hardhome still isn't the best place if they want to get into stone architecture. Give me half a minute to whip something up in MSPaint/Gimp.
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    ASOIAF/GOT Elendil & Numenoreans Beyond-The-Wall

    You could include Dunk and Egg, I had figured that the Numenorians wouldn't really figure in Westrosi anything really beyond rumors until much later on. Totally up to you/whoever puts pen to paper on this though. For the Dunedain and the various magical elements of the far north: Giants are...
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    ASOIAF/GOT Elendil & Numenoreans Beyond-The-Wall

    Yeah, I misspoke. Really, if you want the Dunedain to interact politically with the very late Targaryen/Roberts Rebellion era court it might be better to have them actually land in the 230s AC (Possibly 230, so that they're just establishing themselves in the middle of Thenn Territory when...
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    ASOIAF/GOT Elendil & Numenoreans Beyond-The-Wall

    The early Numenorians could well embrace such a title but I think that after Annatar's coming and the corruption of Ar-Pharazon that Elendil in particular will be quite strident about his non-divinity. Actually he'll be trying to introduce the worship of Eru Illuvatar if anything. The Seven...
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    ASOIAF/GOT Elendil & Numenoreans Beyond-The-Wall

    The Thenns must live in one of the most habitable parts of the far north, given they were the only tribe to settle down and develop a bronzeworking society. That implies that wherever they are is habitable enough for some kind of agriculture. That also means that if you're planning on...
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