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  1. Aldarion

    Yesterday's enterprise vs. the actual TNG

    We are thinking of different types of jamming. You seem to think of the targeted jamming where sensor is directly affected. What I'm thinking of is jamming that masks starship's signature with noise - think lighting a flashlight into somebody's eyes vs hiding in a self-generated fog from...
  2. Aldarion

    Yesterday's enterprise vs. the actual TNG

    Jamming would actually work better further away when it is "noise" jamming, which is the effect I'm thinking about. Agreed. Problem I have with that is that we see shields being reassembled, or reinforced merely by rerouting the energy. Yeah, but I don't think an energy or gravitational...
  3. Aldarion

    Yesterday's enterprise vs. the actual TNG

    That is why I am looking for explanations. And now that I think about it - I remember it being stated in one episode that intense subspace fields can jam sensors? And impulse engines, as well as maybe some other systems on ships, use subspace fields. Which means that a large fleet would provide...
  4. Aldarion

    Yesterday's enterprise vs. the actual TNG

    Sorry for late reply, had COVID and was busy afterwards, so... Looking at stated ranges: "The Wounded" - 200 000 km range for all weapons "The Search" - >100 000 km for maximum range of Dominion attack ship, presumably against Defiant itself "Return to Grace" - <200 000 km effective range for...
  5. Aldarion

    Yesterday's enterprise vs. the actual TNG

    There are no word games here, just you being clueless. According to that statement, Technical Manuals are canon because they report on what is canon. That however means that if there is any contradiction at all between the Technical Manual and what is shown on screen, then Manuals are not canon...
  6. Aldarion

    Yesterday's enterprise vs. the actual TNG

    "Report on what is canon", "technically canon"... please learn to read. Technical Manuals are writers' guide. Writers were free to, and did, completely disregard them. The best you can say is that TMs are "canon so long as they do not contradict anything shown on screen"... which is as good as...
  7. Aldarion

    Yesterday's enterprise vs. the actual TNG

    What else was there to address? They are a guide for showrunners. Guide which showrunners are perfectly free to ignore, wipe their ass with or whatever. And they are not canon. The end. Proof? Because we never hear of any overheating issue that I remember. What we do see is: 1) Shields have...
  8. Aldarion

    Yesterday's enterprise vs. the actual TNG

    Problem is that we only see torpedoes display long range in engagements between individual starships. This suggests that there is some fundamental issue with using them for long-range fleet engagements - most likely, jamming on fleet level is so good that it is forcing people to literally...
  9. Aldarion

    Yesterday's enterprise vs. the actual TNG

    I never said they were 1-to-1? Closest we have to 1-to-1 transplantation of Age of Sail to space are Honor Harrington novels IIRC.
  10. Aldarion

    Yesterday's enterprise vs. the actual TNG

    True. But he set the tone for Star Trek - both the good (historical inspirations) and the bad (leftist ideological underpinnings).
  11. Aldarion

    Yesterday's enterprise vs. the actual TNG

    I don't give a shit about what his politics - that wasn't the point. What matters are statements by Gene Rodenberry himself that were cited in the book.
  12. Aldarion

    Yesterday's enterprise vs. the actual TNG

    Is it? You keep drawing comparisons with modern ships, but that comparison just doesn't work simply because Trek ships have next to nothing in common with modern ships. Let's forget for the moment the fact that Star Trek ships generally don't use guided weapons and don't fight beyond visual...
  13. Aldarion

    Yesterday's enterprise vs. the actual TNG

    Look. I don't care what you or anybody else thinks they should do. What we see them doing is closing in and fighting battles well within the visual range vast majority of the time. Out-of-universe explanation is obvious. And seeing how we know that subspace fields can interfere with sensors, and...
  14. Aldarion

    Yesterday's enterprise vs. the actual TNG

    When you look at tactics actually used, yes, they do. We do have few examples of long-range combat in Star Trek, and we know torpedoes can be guided, but by and large such long-range combat is avoided for various reasons, and what we see - especially in large engagements - are knifefights...
  15. Aldarion

    Yesterday's enterprise vs. the actual TNG

    Rodenberry was an Army Air Force pilot, and after that served in the police force. There is no reason to assume that US Navy will have impacted his thinking. Also, when you look at how Starfleet is actually portrayed, it fits Age of Sail Royal Navy far better than it does World War II US Navy...
  16. Aldarion

    Yesterday's enterprise vs. the actual TNG

    I'm describing how Galaxy class ships were actually used in the series. And it fits far better with Age-of-Sail line tactics I had described than it does with whatever carrier-inspired tactics you think they should be using. Besides, why would Starfleet tactics have any resemblance to modern US...
  17. Aldarion

    Yesterday's enterprise vs. the actual TNG

    Watch the episode. USS Galaxy was literally on top of the weapons platforms when they activated. Seeing how fleet was destroying the platforms, that means that yes, she was on the leading edge of the fleet. And considering how vulnerable fighters / torpedo boats are to being destroyed by larger...
  18. Aldarion

    Yesterday's enterprise vs. the actual TNG

    Galaxy is hardly a joy boat, at least once it was actually properly introduced into service and had its kinks worked out. Look at the Dominion War: we saw a Defiant being lost, we saw Excelsiors, Akiras etc. being lost... we never saw, or heard, of a Galaxy class starship being lost beyond the...
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