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  1. Abhorsen

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    Basic studies, such as research on immigrants views vs citizen views on certain topics. It highly depends what they are leaving/going towards. For example, people fleeing communism? They are going to lean right (hence the cubans in florida, but that's not the only example). But people coming...
  2. Abhorsen

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    You don't understand what natural law is. Natural law is not the "law of the jungle." Nor is it the law of evolution. It has completely zero to do with how nature works. It's basically a term that's just used for statements a certain morality system views as axiomatic (obvious basic truths)...
  3. Abhorsen

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    That experiment already happened. It was in the wild in dozens of species, and they are still around. The real reason the first world countries' populations are flat or down is low marriage rates among straights. But I don't have the hugest issue with this: those not reproducing are the most...
  4. Abhorsen

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    That's great. I didn't raise any religious reasons. I'm an atheist, so I have no religious reasons. Your definition made a claim that applies to infertile women. You need to come up with a defense of that that excludes aliens. Now here you try to save your claim, by carving out an exception in...
  5. Abhorsen

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    Yes. And that's a problem, not something that can be glossed over. I would need a better definition of a human in such a case. Now colloquially, you can use this definition to give a rough idea of something, but if this definition seeks to explain why something is or isn't moral, then it 100%...
  6. Abhorsen

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    The remake I'd say was woke (taking out the ass shots of Miranda, for example). But not the originals. Even not the third: remember, the only way to live in the end was to pick mass genocide, including of the good geth. Basically, a big question is what values are being taught. A great set of...
  7. Abhorsen

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    Staff: Derail moved.

    Okay, let's take the long discussion about Christian morality and how it relates to gays to the philosophy section. Specifically here: https://the-sietch.com/index.php?threads/christianity-and-its-views-of-gays.12185/
  8. Abhorsen

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    Cultural Appropriation being condemned is one of the most harmful things to America as a country. We are literally built on cultural appropriation and culture mixing. As one of the only countries in the world that isn't built on a native populace but instead a country of immigrants, the US has...
  9. Abhorsen

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    I think it's more about all of the creative 'pinwheels' some like to create on servers, like 2b2t especially.
  10. Abhorsen

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    That actually started well before the MCU with Ultimate Marvel, but he was purposely drawn like Samuel L Jackson because Jackson is a badass. Then, one Nick Fury got popular in the MCU (cause Samuel L Jackson) the rest of marvel quietly replaced Nick Fury with his son Nick Fury Jr, who is black...
  11. Abhorsen

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    Honestly, what people think about Magneto is a great litmus test for a fan. He's one of the well done 'race swapped characters'. A decade or two into his existance (honestly forget the exact time, this is a guess), they decided to make him a Jewish survivor of the Holocaust instead of what he...
  12. Abhorsen

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    You are looking at this like someone who read the book, like I did, and then can recognize people from what they are doing/what their characterization is. But people just watching the movie, who identify people based on how they look, not characterization. Books have this easy, as you read the...
  13. Abhorsen

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    First, Liet Kynes was half Fremen in the original. His father (who was white in graphic novels, but other than that unsure (last names aren't something to go off of especially in a space age, e.g. Leit Kyne's actress' name is Sharon Duncan-Brewster)), was sent to Arrakis, and had a kid, Liet...
  14. Abhorsen

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    Okay, we seem to be talking past one another, sorry about that. So the original incarnation of Ivy was straight (at least by default), introduced in 1966 according to wikipedia. After Harley Quinn was introduced in Batman: TAS, they became friends in the episode Harley and Ivy, continued the...
  15. Abhorsen

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    You seem to be misunderstanding where I'm coming from. I'm saying "Sure, maybe you didn't like the show, fair, but that's not at all when she swapped sexualities." The question is did making her more 'diverse' improve the stories? And I'd say it did. Giving her a consistent but limited ray of...
  16. Abhorsen

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    Oh, I agree the HQ version of Poison Ivy was pretty human (probably too human), but her and Harley Quinn have been friends/subtextually together (and not bs english degree subtextually, I mean getting crap by the radar subtextually) since basically the beginning of Harley Quinn as a character...
  17. Abhorsen

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    Hmm, the question I always have is what is the list of times somebody has changed a character in a way that made them more them diverse and it has improved the character or the story? I can think of only a few where it improved stuff: Turning Magneto into a jew who survived the holocaust( this...
  18. Abhorsen

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    See, this needs to be in the movie too! You can say that because the Brits and US are all protestants, they must all want to kill all the gays! That's clearly the only reason they want to fight the nazis! Man, the world according to ATP is just a fascinating place. For the record, I'm not...
  19. Abhorsen

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    The book is called the Pink Swastika, for those interested. It's about how the nazis were gay, written by the guy behind the Ugandan death penalty for gays bill. Yet ATP would not admit that the writer might have some sort of bias. And his comments about pederasts really aren't accurate: the...
  20. Abhorsen

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    Look, don't bother arguing with ATP about gay and jewish things, it's a waste of your time as you uncover stupidity after stupidity, only to realize it's stupidity all the way down. Look, if you want to see how far the stupid goes, just read this...
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