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  1. Abhorsen

    LGBT and the US Conservative Movement

    Trump did it just fine. Just say "I'm gonna solve AIDS in the US (which isn't that difficult, if one defines it as stopping spread to new people by getting almost everyone on PrEP)." The gays don't need much outreach at all. Just a hand to say 'you matter'. And that doesn't generally piss off...
  2. Abhorsen

    LGBT and the US Conservative Movement

    No, it's stuck. No way they are bothering to overrule it, even if it is bad law. Too many people would get their marriages invalidated, it would be the worst thing. And the SCOTUS did rule that it was unconstitutional both federally and then incorporated that on the states, so only they can...
  3. Abhorsen

    LGBT and the US Conservative Movement

    You don't need to appeal to them, just be basically tolerant. Trump improved with very basic outreach. What you do need to do is not directly blame them for everything. Obviously, hate on shit like groomers and such, but be careful enough to separate concerns. Don't touch civil marriage rights...
  4. Abhorsen

    LGBT and the US Conservative Movement

    The 7% and the 1:2 ratio came from the same survey, so I think it's important to keep both of the numbers linked. My guess is that the fad people are in the biden voters, so it might be closer, but IDK.
  5. Abhorsen

    LGBT and the US Conservative Movement

    The 2:1 and shrinking percentage. And given 7% of voters identified as LGBT (which is the same group who had the 2:1 percentage), R's could definitely do well there. Also, the idea that you need to win a majority or it's not worth appealing to them simply isn't true. Recall that if republicans...
  6. Abhorsen

    LGBT and the US Conservative Movement

    The thing is, many of the people that push for these aren't even LGBT, they are 'allies', doing performative wokeness. Most LGBTs aren't activists. They just want to live their life, and are overshadowed by the loud minority. Oh, sure, they'll show up to a pride parade, but that's about it...
  7. Abhorsen

    LGBT and the US Conservative Movement

    Sure, but it 100% doesn't matter if you consider the person a redhead or not, what it is an actual cure (not a complete one, but about as good as can be expected) to one's haircolor dysphoria. Just like we warn epileptics about flashing lights and force companies to build wheelchair ramps. Of...
  8. Abhorsen

    LGBT and the US Conservative Movement

    No, gender dysphoria the condition has nothing to do with how you or I define gender. What matters is how the person with dysphoria sees their body matching up with how their body actually looks. Basically, if you had someone who delusionally thought they had red hair, a cure would be dying it...
  9. Abhorsen

    LGBT and the US Conservative Movement

    Did you just not read the part about comorbidities? It was right there. Basically, transition solves 1 problem, but you still have years of hating your body in your past to work through in therapy, alongside other problems. You still need to solve the problem of hating your body now before you...
  10. Abhorsen

    LGBT and the US Conservative Movement

    It fixes the mental issue in the sense that the issue is "My fundamental self image of my body is female, but I look into the mirror and don't see that'. The problem exists between what your body physically is and what you know it should be. I've met a Trans man who absolutely hated his boobs...
  11. Abhorsen

    LGBT and the US Conservative Movement

    Just because one does not reproduce doesn't mean that one is not fit for purpose, as kin selection clearly shows. Second, assuming that the purpose of human life is to perpetuate genes is an incredible shallow view that results in great evil. As for comorbidity, that isn't evidence that the...
  12. Abhorsen

    LGBT and the US Conservative Movement

    So this is interesting: Another poll showing that a majority of republicans support gay marriage. https://reason.com/2021/06/09/america-loves-gay-marriage-and-weed/
  13. Abhorsen

    LGBT and the US Conservative Movement

    Given that one of the most cited articles in this came from a conversion therapist in 1960 reporting a negative result when he ditched surveys and began measuring blood flow to the penis to determine gayness, any bias would have been in the opposite direction.
  14. Abhorsen

    LGBT and the US Conservative Movement

    Which is objectively wrong. Scientific studies have repeatedly found that gay people exist, and that it is immutable.
  15. Abhorsen

    LGBT and the US Conservative Movement

    ... but you just said that all that was needed to be gay was to have gay sex, not have any of the internal feelings or desires of a gay man. So why doesn't that apply to Trans women?
  16. Abhorsen

    LGBT and the US Conservative Movement

    You might say it's shittty, but it is the actual definition. A person is gay before they have sex, for example. On top of this, people who pretended to be straight to hide their gay feelings are also gay. I wouldn't be going down the aristotlian path when you believe transwomen aren't a type of...
  17. Abhorsen

    LGBT and the US Conservative Movement

    I mean, this isn't an opinion. There's an established definition of a gay man, and it is a man who wants to have sex with/romance other men. Then there are gay acts, which include both consensual and nonconsensual sex. Doing gay acts doesn't make one gay, just like pretending to be straight...
  18. Abhorsen

    LGBT and the US Conservative Movement

    I'm not arguing for the hate crime (I think those are generally bad). But this is 100% murder 2. You aren't allowed to do vigilante killings either, even if one knows the person is guilty. It doesn't even matter what she did, given they had hours between determining she was trans and killing...
  19. Abhorsen

    LGBT and the US Conservative Movement

    But this happens though. I mean, here are cases where it was used: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Gwen_Araujo They (four men) didn't know if she was trans, so days after oral sex, they isolated her, forced her to strip to determine she was trans, beat her unconscious, came back hours...
  20. Abhorsen

    LGBT and the US Conservative Movement

    That doesn't actually make the man gay. No, it very much isn't. It doesn't work under self defense priniples, because there's no need for violence to not have sex, and if there is, then it's actual rape and we don't need any trans panic defense. It doesn't work for insanity, as the person...
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