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  1. Aaron Fox

    What if america joined the central powers

    From my understanding, it was also a plan for Germany's African holdings. Build them into nations, let them do their own thing, and be trade partners.
  2. Aaron Fox

    What if america joined the central powers

    More or less, as -from what I've gathered- Imperial Germany was going for transforming its colonies into nations with trade relations by the time WW1 came around. At least, that appeared to be the honest end-goal.
  3. Aaron Fox

    What if america joined the central powers

    @Airedale260, the reason for Japan being reasonable during this time period is that the Old Men faction was the dominant force within Japanese politics. What would become the Imperial faction (different from the original Imperial faction who wanted foreign influence to be rid of from Japan...
  4. Aaron Fox

    What if america joined the central powers

    Yeah, the US Army had to lean on John Browning for a lot of their armaments. Hell, a good portion of the shotguns in the US army arsenal was Browning's creations (Auto 5 anyone?) and the M2 was created because of the Mk1s... and it was automatic (the only thing that the Germans had that was...
  5. Aaron Fox

    What if america joined the central powers

    Oddly enough, Wilhem was largely taken out of the decision process halfway into the war, it would likely be Hindenburg and his posse that might do that, although they are just as likely not to do it due to the necessary training, manpower, and material isn't there on the western front.
  6. Aaron Fox

    What if america joined the central powers

    The Zimmerman telegram has some of the signs of Britain's intelligence shenanigans from what I've heard, so it is possible that Britain purposely edited the telegram to get the US into the fight. Most of the US is -surprisingly- anti-Britain outside of the former Confederacy, with many of the...
  7. Aaron Fox

    What if america joined the central powers

    @stevep, oddly enough, the atrocities that Germany committed were exaggerated for propaganda purposes. There is a very good reason that -during WW2- the Allies didn't believe the Germans were doing the Holocaust until they found the first extermination camp.
  8. Aaron Fox

    What if america joined the central powers

    Largely -from what I understand- from the fact that Britain wasn't really a friend to the US for most of its existence. Not only that, Britain had been largely semi-antagonistic to the US since day one... [grumbles about letting Dixiecrats getting into power] From what I understand, TR thought...
  9. Aaron Fox

    What if america joined the central powers

    1912 having the Progressives win would be the biggest game-changer, for Theodore did not like Britain at all.
  10. Aaron Fox

    What if america joined the central powers

    ... what. A. Fucking. Idiot. I'm surprised at that man's stupidity...
  11. Aaron Fox

    What if america joined the central powers

    It would take a lot more than one person, Josephus Daniels is only one of the Congresscritters (hence why I said 'certain firebrands like Senator 'Pitchfork' Tillman die earlier') that have to be taken out of the picture for the USN to get its money from Congress. It would also require the USN...
  12. Aaron Fox

    What if america joined the central powers

    That and it had plenty of shipbuilding capacity too. The thing with that is the USN had always specified Britain as the main antagonist on the open seas, and the various papers they did over the pre-WW2 years outright state that the British are willing to do some pretty underhanded tactics to...
  13. Aaron Fox

    What if america joined the central powers

    1. Canada's fate is sealed at this point, as it doesn't have the spread out industrial capacity to take the hits necessary, it's all centered around Toronto. 2. I was thinking of the various French Askari (African Colonial Troops) and Britain's oh god so many Canadian and Indian troops. 3. There...
  14. Aaron Fox

    What if america joined the central powers

    What people forget is that Britain and France had to ship a lot of Colonial troops to the Western Front, and those are the most vulnerable. Not to mention that Britain needs Canada and other colonies to keep the nation fed. Having access to US ports is a major game-changer in this regard, as is...
  15. Aaron Fox

    What if america joined the central powers

    Causes all sorts of havoc in the logistics lanes. With the US as a base, even small portions of the HSF would be dangerous for the future convoys. Remember, the British went with Q-ships and the like because the U-Boats and the convoy attacks were surprisingly effective. While it might work...
  16. Aaron Fox

    What if america joined the central powers

    No, that was with American loans, not alone. By 1917, the Entente was running on fumes despite American financial support. Britain and France were literally starting to run out of things to put up as collateral for the loans. Given what the German Navy outside of Germany did despite not having...
  17. Aaron Fox

    What if america joined the central powers

    The Entente was literally running on fumes by 1916/1917, Britain and France had already run through the vast majority of their financial reserves and that is with some loans to the Entente. If the US was hostile to the Entente, the Entente would quite literally run out of gas by 1916. The...
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